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Old 12-04-2013, 11:18 PM   #91
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Don't travel with your cell phone.
Intriguing… Could you add to that?
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:47 AM   #92
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Speed at any time, receive a ticket at any other time- regardless of your speed. That is happening in many places, sort of akin to the license plate readers generating tickets.

When you have your phone with you, all your movements are tracked, time, place, speed etc. It's a very sophisticated, complete surveillance system. Kind of like slaves paying for their own chains. Not sure what good could come from it.
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Old 12-05-2013, 09:10 AM   #93
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Speed at any time, receive a ticket at any other time- regardless of your speed. That is happening in many places, sort of akin to the license plate readers generating tickets.

When you have your phone with you, all your movements are tracked, time, place, speed etc. It's a very sophisticated, complete surveillance system. Kind of like slaves paying for their own chains. Not sure what good could come from it.

Any documentation? When I use my phone to track a route, it is not uncommon to end up with top speeds well over 100mph when I never broke 65. They would have to have some way to validate the accuracy of the cell phone if they were planning to use it to issue citations.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:19 AM   #94
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Speed at any time, receive a ticket at any other time- regardless of your speed. That is happening in many places, sort of akin to the license plate readers generating tickets.

When you have your phone with you, all your movements are tracked, time, place, speed etc. It's a very sophisticated, complete surveillance system. Kind of like slaves paying for their own chains. Not sure what good could come from it.
Or, just pull the battery if it is a concern. If your vehicle has an ECU it too could be used to harvest similar data. This is no reason to think it is common practice.

I'd be interested to see documentation supporting that any phone company is routinely sharing such information with LEOs for traffic violations without a judge's signature on a warrant.

Frankly, I think this logic is loosely based on the fact that it COULD be done, but I would seriously doubt that it is currently being used as a method to issue citations, except in rare cases after an incident/accident where the data could prove guilt or innocence in an investigation. This would not be what I would consider "routine."

The phone itself could have such data if the GPS is enabled. Mine stays off to conserve battery and is enabled only when I need to use GPS, but for those who like having all the bells and whistles going all the time, yes, they could take the phone and harvest the data the same way they do for texting or talking while driving in places where there are ordinances prohibiting it.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:48 AM   #95
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It's already been announced for every person in the Seattle area, testing it, that means it's already been up and running for some time. You are so far down the rabbit hole already, you have no idea.

Doesn't matter if you remove the battery, just like going to the post office, they know who you are before you get to the counter, the system has read your license right through your pants pocket.
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:57 AM   #96
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Or, just pull the battery if it is a concern. If your vehicle has an ECU it too could be used to harvest similar data. This is no reason to think it is common practice.

I'd be interested to see documentation supporting that any phone company is routinely sharing such information with LEOs for traffic violations without a judge's signature on a warrant.

Frankly, I think this logic is loosely based on the fact that it COULD be done, but I would seriously doubt that it is currently being used as a method to issue citations, except in rare cases after an incident/accident where the data could prove guilt or innocence in an investigation. This would not be what I would consider "routine."

The phone itself could have such data if the GPS is enabled. Mine stays off to conserve battery and is enabled only when I need to use GPS, but for those who like having all the bells and whistles going all the time, yes, they could take the phone and harvest the data the same way they do for texting or talking while driving in places where there are ordinances prohibiting it.
With the GPS enabled, they have you within 50 feet. With it off, all they can do is locate the cell tower you're connected through.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:09 PM   #97
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:09 PM   #98
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It's already been announced for every person in the Seattle area, testing it, that means it's already been up and running for some time. You are so far down the rabbit hole already, you have no idea.

Doesn't matter if you remove the battery, just like going to the post office, they know who you are before you get to the counter, the system has read your license right through your pants pocket.
OK... I have to admit that your first post sounded wacky and conspiratorial and exactly the kind of thing I normally ignore. However, I decided to at least do a quick Google search and it turns out, you are pretty much right. Although from a technical aspect, one would only need to disable the wi-fi scanning on their cell phone to prevent tracking.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ng-cellphones/

There are a lot of articles on this and one claims that the maker of this "mesh" claims "unassociated" phones can be tracked, implying all phones in any condition can be found and data taken. The article above indicates that this is a result of a phone looking for a wi-fi connection so the simple solution is to turn off the wi-fi on your phone.

No article claims that there are any plans to use it for speed limit enforcement however.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:12 PM   #99
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OK... I have to admit that your first post sounded wacky and conspiratorial and exactly the kind of thing I normally ignore. However, I decided to at least do a quick Google search and it turns out, you are pretty much right. Although from a technical aspect, one would only need to disable the wi-fi scanning on their cell phone to prevent tracking.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ng-cellphones/

There are a lot of articles on this and one claims that the maker of this "mesh" claims "unassociated" phones can be tracked, implying all phones in any condition can be found and data taken. The article above indicates that this is a result of a phone looking for a wi-fi connection so the simple solution is to turn off the wi-fi on your phone.

No article claims that there are any plans to use it for speed limit enforcement however.
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Old 12-05-2013, 12:57 PM   #100
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Old 12-05-2013, 01:48 PM   #101
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:19 PM   #102
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The great thing about smart phones is that you can turn 'em off. But I agree that they will try anything to spy on you demonstrated by the latest NSA leaks debacle. I pictured the using of UAVs over highways. Scary crap and most people don't care because they wait in line at 4 am for Xboxes outside of big box stores. But the phone thing sounds a little much like we need to bust out our tinfoil hats.
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Old 12-06-2013, 05:08 AM   #103
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The phone itself could have such data if the GPS is enabled. Mine stays off to conserve battery and is enabled only when I need to use GPS, but for those who like having all the bells and whistles going all the time, yes, they could take the phone and harvest the data the same way they do for texting or talking while driving in places where there are ordinances prohibiting it.
When I bought a cheap folding phone in Canada a few years ago, there was this menu point in the settings "turn GPS off". Wow I thought, it even has GPS, cool!

Not so much, as it turned out after reading the manual: GPS location tracking is "only activated for emergency calls" if you turn GPS off in the setting. And no, the GPS was not available for anything immediately useful such as navigation.

The worst thing is, most people think they have nothing to fear because they don't have anything to hide. That's not the point. People should follow rules because they agree to some sort of social contract, not because they think they will be caught. Because then they will just do anything they believe they can get away with.

Well ok where does speeding or filtering fit in... I guess I am a hypocrite
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Old 12-06-2013, 05:23 AM   #104
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Ride an old bike, they won't look twice at you unless you're really breaking some traffic laws. They're out prowling for squids and drunken pirates, not someone wearing full gear on an antique motorcycle.
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Quiet exhaust, a gaudy and obnoxious hi viz vest, and keeping it under the speed limit, mostly.
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Around there having a sport bike that is not loud will keep you under the radar. Add a couple of Givi bags to said sport bike and wear proper gear and the cops ignore you. If you're pulled over, when you open your modular helmet and they see grey in your beard/goatee they leave you alone. These are my experiences here on the coast.

Once in a while I'll pull my bags off and get stupid, when I do that I've noticed the patrol cars follow me along for a bit; 5mph below the posted limit works great for that. My guess is they're calling in the tag and it comes back clean.
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My GTS looks (to some) like a modern sportbike. I have been pulled over more often while riding that bike and wearing leathers than I have on my GS, wearing a textile jacket, despite riding about the same speed on both and doing 10x the mileage on the GS.
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Old 12-06-2013, 05:31 AM   #105
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I love all these 'I'm old & the cops leave me alone/let me off' posts . I don't have much hair left, & what is there is mostly grey. Yet, I must head out early in the morning to court to 'splain my recent excursion to 40 over the posted limit. The trooper basically stated that he couldn't give me a break on 40 over, but he wasn't going to arrest me. So I guess that was a break of sorts. I must not be 'old' enough yet .

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From the sound of things, at 40-over you already got a huge benefit from being old and grey
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