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Old 12-07-2013, 05:15 AM   #16
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And here are the reasons why NOT to buy a Japanese, German, British, Italian, Chinese, Croation, ad nauseum...

http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.biz/whynojapbike.html
Holy grammar assassin, Batman.

I couldn't make it through paragraph 3, but I get the overall tone and mindset.

More power to them for having an opinion and expressing it. But I'm not getting dragged into a thing over this.


Yeah, the Sportster is a good bike. It's not the only one. Different strokes, mang.
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Old 12-07-2013, 05:44 AM   #17
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And here are the reasons why NOT to buy a Japanese, German, British, Italian, Chinese, Croation, ad nauseum...

http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.biz/whynojapbike.html

What a complete crock of shit.

Reason number one from this list:

1. You may or may not pay more when buying a new bike. You may or may not get a better warranty. The price of the bike may actually be good, but watch out for the dealer mark-up and added fees.


So let me get this straight, I may or may not pay more? I may or may not get a better warranty? I need to watch out for fees?

Do you mean if I'm buying a Harley, or buying a Ducati? Because the way this is written, it applies to any bike ever made. As in it argues against a Halrey just as much as for one. Strong work, list author!

Hey! Mechanics for foreign brands are incompetent! Or might be. Uh huh, and never in the history of Harleydom has there been a bad Harley mechanic.

Dealers for foreign brands just want to rip you off! Of course Harley dealers are there to be your advocate on getting the best bike possible for the absolute least amount of money.

That list was written as a joke, right?
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Old 12-07-2013, 06:05 AM   #18
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Geez, guys....
This guy is trying to sell books. He wrote one article about all the supposed Harley "defects" and tells you to buy his books. Then he wrote another article about all the supposed Japanese, Italian, etc etc "defects" and tells you to buy his books.
It's an advertisement for his books. Lets not get all riled up about any of it being accurate or not...it's marketing.
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Old 12-07-2013, 08:17 AM   #19
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Everything I have ever posted about Harley is common knowledge. There is tons of information out there about every brand of motorcycle that has ever existed. That is one neat thing about the internet. Knowledge is now available to everyone.
HotDamn, I can become a rocket scientist just by reading the internet. Who would have thought it. According to JerryH no personal experience is ever required, and from a man who hates technology.
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Old 12-07-2013, 08:34 AM   #20
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to the writer of the articles,

I saw the tone from the get go, black and white! no man! there are some very coool dealers with non usa brands and some idiots with it..

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Old 12-07-2013, 09:07 AM   #21
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Ok, I owned one.

I did some "wrenching". (ok, I changed my own oil.)

I tried 3 different exhausts. (I went with performance over looks and sound.) (I did it myself and have the thread inserts to prove it)

I installed the upgraded ignition module myself. (ok 3 screws, 2 bolts and a plug, say 20 minutes tops)

I installed my own shocks. (30 minutes.)

I had to have a mechanic install my fork springs.

I had a dealer replace my belt, 2 weeks out of warranty, 1500 miles from home at my cost. (263$) This dealer treated me like crap. He got the part in late Saturday night and fixed it Sunday morning after his daughter's soccer game. And then the asshole came out to my campsite and picked me up. I wrote Harley. They said too bad. Enclosed is a credit voucher for $250.00 good at any dealer US or Canada - Damn Moco.

Sportster, It's a bike better than some and then not so much. I look at a Sportster like a jeep (CJ/YJ). Plenty used ones out there. They have a price floor and no ceiling. Some were worked on by folks that know. Some were worked on by say... me. Some are great builds some are..WTF were you thinking? I do think finding a stock sporty used is easier than a stock Jeep.

I sold the Sporty and bought a used Buell---the Sportster I was trying to build.

So am I a mechanic - I like to think so.... prolly not

Can I out ride all of you, Hell ya .... prolly not


Will I own another Sporster-yes if the right one comes along. Hell I'd own another one of my last 9 out of 10 bikes if the right one came along.

Want to see the list of bikes I've owned...prolly not


Now had I only read that book.....
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:53 AM   #22
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As for the mechanic part, being one myself, I have never known of a dealership mechanic, bike, car, tractor, or anything else, that did good work. Many of them are very competent, but working for someone else makes it impossible to do things right. Dealers have a time limit on everything, according to their book. It is not long enough to do a really good job, IMO. But the mechanics do not get all that time. Not enough profit for the dealer. You are expected to get the job done in less time that the book says, and you are under constant pressure to do it in less and less time. Even as a government mechanic, I get pushed to get things done faster, because we are understaffed, and don't have enough mechanics to do everything right. It's just "get it done and move on" You have this big stack of work orders to finish by the end of the day, and whoever brought the vehicle or equipment in is constantly calling wanting to know when it will be done. A public works supervisor gets put ahead of a parks maintenance worker. RHIP

UTI is a complete rip off. My son in law went there. He wanted to be an auto mechanic. They advertise how much money you can make, plus it's his kind of thing (he didn't actually check the facts) He spent over $30K to go there (you could almost buy a Motus for that, if they existed) it was a student loan, borrowed money. He wound up with a minimum wage job at a local Ford dealer, with no prospects of doing any better in the foreseeable future. He also found out how mechanics get treated at dealers. He is now working as a truck driver, making a little more money. He has yet to pay back a single penny of the student loan, and probably never will.


For many who would otherwise be good mechanics because they have a serious interest in it, working for a dealer destroys them. They resign themselves to doing crappy work, and eventually get to where they just don't care anymore.
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Old 12-07-2013, 12:05 PM   #23
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UTI is a complete rip off. My son in law went there. He wanted to be an auto mechanic. They advertise how much money you can make, plus it's his kind of thing (he didn't actually check the facts) He spent over $30K to go there (you could almost buy a Motus for that, if they existed) it was a student loan, borrowed money. He wound up with a minimum wage job at a local Ford dealer, with no prospects of doing any better in the foreseeable future. He also found out how mechanics get treated at dealers. He is now working as a truck driver, making a little more money. He has yet to pay back a single penny of the student loan, and probably never will.
I don't believe you are a mechanic.

You get out of it what you put in from an education. Even though you have a $30,000 trade school education, you're still a new hire. You need time to learn how to work on whatever brand your dealer sells. I know a lot of auto mechanics making good money at car dealerships. Some are at $100,000 a year.

I have friends at the local BMW dealer. The magnesium engine blocks have a coolant leak issue that requires short block replacement. I don't remember what the job pays but a good mechanic can cut a couple hours off the book time after he's done it a few times. That's how you make money. If you get a comeback, you don't get paid to fix it and you have to eat any left over parts.
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Old 12-07-2013, 12:27 PM   #24
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As for the mechanic part, being one myself, I have never known of a dealership mechanic, bike, car, tractor, or anything else, that did good work. Many of them are very competent, but working for someone else makes it impossible to do things right. Dealers have a time limit on everything, according to their book. It is not long enough to do a really good job, IMO. But the mechanics do not get all that time. Not enough profit for the dealer. You are expected to get the job done in less time that the book says, and you are under constant pressure to do it in less and less time. Even as a government mechanic, I get pushed to get things done faster, because we are understaffed, and don't have enough mechanics to do everything right. It's just "get it done and move on" You have this big stack of work orders to finish by the end of the day, and whoever brought the vehicle or equipment in is constantly calling wanting to know when it will be done. A public works supervisor gets put ahead of a parks maintenance worker. RHIP

UTI is a complete rip off. My son in law went there. He wanted to be an auto mechanic. They advertise how much money you can make, plus it's his kind of thing (he didn't actually check the facts) He spent over $30K to go there (you could almost buy a Motus for that, if they existed) it was a student loan, borrowed money. He wound up with a minimum wage job at a local Ford dealer, with no prospects of doing any better in the foreseeable future. He also found out how mechanics get treated at dealers. He is now working as a truck driver, making a little more money. He has yet to pay back a single penny of the student loan, and probably never will.


For many who would otherwise be good mechanics because they have a serious interest in it, working for a dealer destroys them. They resign themselves to doing crappy work, and eventually get to where they just don't care anymore.

Jerry theres a famous saying goes something like this:

"Its sometimes best to not speak and be assumed a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt"

Same can be applied to the keyboard....
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Old 12-07-2013, 12:28 PM   #25
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For someone that wants to work as a mechanic, I suggest the field of repairing large freight hauling trucks. As in Freightliner, Kenworth, International/Navastar, etc. You have to be pretty robust and not hate getting dirty, oily, etc. When I quit my job after 24 years of that, a local Freightliner dealer was paying well in to the $30-$40 per hour range. I made a decent blue collar living. You have to be willing to do service calls when a truck breaks down on the road. Maybe start out working swing or grave shifts. Fleet repair is a good field to go into, and you can find a job about anywhere.
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Old 12-07-2013, 01:33 PM   #26
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And here are the reasons why NOT to buy a Japanese, German, British, Italian, Chinese, Croation, ad nauseum...

http://www.jamesrussellpublishing.biz/whynojapbike.html


But whoiwants to be seen on a Harley w full Johnny Depp outfit
Seriously that article is like propaganda. To be honest I do find some Harley's gorgeous, but not one brand is free of issues. Right? As far dealerships, well that's just on case to case.
Like the Sportster? go for it. It's all about riding doesn't matter what or how much IMHO
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Old 12-07-2013, 03:21 PM   #27
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Everything I have ever posted about Harley is common knowledge. There is tons of information out there about every brand of motorcycle that has ever existed. That is one neat thing about the internet. Knowledge is now available to everyone.
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You've heard it here ladies and gentleman, with the power of the interwebs at your fingertips you can now become an expert on everything, despite having no real experience.


I'm going to go read up on brain surgery and sign up for a medical practitioner's website to give advice on the removal of brain tumors.

Sure, that's why internet porn is so popular, it's made us all experts in the art of love.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:23 PM   #28
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The way those articles are drafted is reason alone not to believe much of what it says. Saying it over and over makes your point weak.

Nothing to see here.
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Old 12-08-2013, 05:08 AM   #29
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I keep vacillating on the Sportster. On the one hand I want one because I like the way they look (shallow, I know), I like that they are an honest to god Made in USA product, I like the plethora of aftermarket options available, and I like the fact that there always seems to be several decent looking used bikes for sale.

On the other hand, I am mildly concerned about the belt drive (dirt roads where I live) and it is really a heavier and less fuel efficient bike than I would prefer. I do plan to look further into the reality of belt wear and breakage, and also the consideration of a belt to chain conversion. Not a whole lot of discussion about paring down the weight although a lithium battery would be a good start, and I am sure there are incremental weight savings to be made elsewhere.

Fortunately I have another 6-7 months to beat the subject to death and hopefully take some test rides.
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Old 12-08-2013, 05:20 AM   #30
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Holy grammar assassin, Batman.

I couldn't make it through paragraph 3, but I get the overall tone and mindset.

More power to them for having an opinion and expressing it. But I'm not getting dragged into a thing over this.


Yeah, the Sportster is a good bike. It's not the only one. Different strokes, mang.
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