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Old 12-10-2013, 11:29 AM   #46
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Good luck with that, those VW's are junk and will murder your wallet out of warranty!
That's why I got an extended warranty on mine

By the time I get to 60k there will be a bunch of 100k 2.5 liter Passat's out there and I'll be able to decide if its worth keeping or not.
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:41 AM   #47
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Looks like you are getting a subi.

Or a Nissan GTR!
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:54 AM   #48
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Good luck with that, those VW's are junk and will murder your wallet out of warranty!
yeah...

wul...

It's got, like, a million torques and gets 100MPG....

So there...

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Old 12-10-2013, 11:56 AM   #49
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Or a Nissan GTR!
Shit.. how about a Carerra 4 if we are talking cheap beaters...
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:30 PM   #50
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Supposedly you can still get a new Acura TL with AWD and a 6-spd manual.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:56 PM   #51
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Yup...in Canukistan they run about 53k for an AWD with a 6-speed happy stick.
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Old 12-10-2013, 01:06 PM   #52
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When we were car shopping, the research I did into Subarus determined that the AWD system you get with the automatic was superior to what you get with the manual. Do a little google/youtube searching. We ended up buying a completely different car but that's my recollection. This was for the Forester. YMMV
I'd argue exactly the opposite. That the system used for the manual is better.

The awd system for auto transmissions is biased toward the front wheels. Not as much as the CR-V, Rav4, etc., but noticeably so. The system used for manual transmissions is balanced front/back.

Of course, once any wheel or wheels slip, the systems adjust.
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Old 12-10-2013, 01:22 PM   #53
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I'd argue exactly the opposite. That the system used for the manual is better.

The awd system for auto transmissions is biased toward the front wheels. Not as much as the CR-V, Rav4, etc., but noticeably so. The system used for manual transmissions is balanced front/back.

Of course, once any wheel or wheels slip, the systems adjust.
Depends. On my Forester with 4EAT, 1st and 2nd gears are 50/50, while 3rd and 4th are 90/10. I have a LSD rear as well, which the others don't offer.

And Honda's "real time" AWD system is 100% front until the rears begin to slip. Then it begins to transfer torque to the rear. My understanding is that Toyota's is the same.

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Old 12-11-2013, 11:26 AM   #54
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Old 12-11-2013, 11:38 AM   #55
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Today at lunch I walked around the new A4 sedan in the parking lot..............It got me thinking about how I could turn this around. I really like the new 2.0T.

I bought my Avalon for me and for road trips/family use, its paid for, it's dead reliable and cheap to own. The Mazda3 for her is a flop, she doesn't like the radio, wants awd and it's cramped. I like the 3...........and I would enjoy the 36mpg's @ 350 to 400 miles/week this is some money savings compared to the Avalon @ 23mpg's.

You see where I'm going.......................?
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Old 12-11-2013, 11:58 AM   #56
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You can get the BMW's with the X-drive and a bump stick that comes standard. The Auto-tragic's are optional, and frankly I wouldn't buy a BMW without a direct drive.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:19 PM   #57
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You can get the BMW's with the X-drive and a bump stick that comes standard. The Auto-tragic's are optional, and frankly I wouldn't buy a BMW without a direct drive.
At this point, it would come down to price.............either car we would lust for.

I wonder if the 3 wagon comes with a stick?

Still amazed at the lack of interest in what seems like a great combination. Makes me feel not so good about being American.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:38 PM   #58
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My wife has a 2012 Subaru Outback with the 3.6 and its a very nice functional suv.The trans has a paddle shifters on the steering wheel and you just dump the gear shift lever in the back slot if you want to paddle shift.The traction control/4x4 system works very well .We had a 2009 Honda Crv before this with the Honda 4x4 system.It got stuck in a creek when 1 front wheel was off the ground-it would not transfer power to the wheels on the ground.There is a very good video on you tube showing many of the small suv's trying to start from a dead stop on a dirt hill.The Suby aced the test.I really think you should be able to get a old school gear driven 4x4 with manual locking diffs though.You shouldnt have to buy a Range Rover or Mercedes G-wagen to get locking diffs.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:39 PM   #59
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Nope, the 3 series BMW sedan does not offer a stick shift in any drive form!
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:44 PM   #60
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So the Toyota FJ Cruiser with its 6 speed manual transmission comes with a full time AWD system vs. the part time 2wd/4wd system in the 5 speed automatic. They do, for some unknown reason, offer the FJC in a 2wd only setup and I'm not sure what transmission is available for that embarrassment of a decision.

So the Toyota FJ Cruiser with a manual transmission will come with a full time AWD system. Another model you can put on your list.
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