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Old 12-13-2013, 12:28 PM   #16
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I'm honestly surprised nobody has jumped in and ragged on you about getting a stella over a classic P, saying they're cr@p, junk, etc, etc... just check out other threads when the S word comes up....

I have a 4T 2012 Stella I'm breaking in (300 miles now) and outfitting to camp with (the 70 MPG hecka beats the 15 my jeep liberty gets...) but I've been afraid to talk about it to avoid getting just such a ragging....

Other than CARB requiring it to be soooooo leaned out as to be nearly unrunable to register in CA (since Its been retuned into a range more real world usable) I've really had no problems with it.
There are a lot of threads on here about Chinese scooters, and they are far worse quality wise than the Stella. And as nice as they look, vintage Vespas are nowhere near Japanese or Taiwanese quality either. The biggest issue I had with mine was a seized top end, which I am sure was caused by the jetting being to lean. After replacing it, I rejetted a bit richer, and have had no more problems with the motor. The lean jetting is not the manufacturers fault, it is the EPA's fault. Fortunately it is easily corrected.

People also tend to forget that 2 stroke engines (mine is a 2 stroke) have more issues and do not last as long as 4 strokes. A guy named Pete rode his modern Asian made Rattler 110 2 stroke to Alaska, and had some serious engine problems (there is a ride report on here somewhere) He admitted later that he wished he had used a 4 stroke. But I love 2 strokes, and am willing to put up with some problems keeping mine going.

I paid $3000 OTD for my '09 Stella brand new. Roughly the cost of a vintage Vespa project bike that needs a lot of work. No, it's not a vintage Vespa, but it is the next best thing. It looks the same, and provides the same riding experience.
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Old 12-13-2013, 01:05 PM   #17
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I'm honestly surprised nobody has jumped in and ragged on you about getting a stella over a classic P, saying they're cr@p, junk, etc, etc... just check out other threads when the S word comes up....

If I could find a P for anything remotely close to what I paid for the Stella, I wouldn't have batted an eye and would be a 2 Vespa household..... As it it, I am going to have about 5 to 6 Hundred tied up in this beast, running and on the road.
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Old 12-14-2013, 02:16 AM   #18
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Oh believe me i majorly research before buying....p vespa, would love one, sure...deal with a 40 year old cantankerous 2stroke?...all steel body, not tupperware over tubing? Whats not to love...drum brakes, front and back?...stella's disc might be considered just ok by modern standards but it is better than clasic drums...computer controlled fuel injection liquid cooling? really? For scooter? And a 150 at that? P's/stella, pop the cowel and it' all right there, simple and straitforward...Stella being "just a clone"? Well, LML was a licensed manufacturer and kept making the P after vespa moved on to improved models...so its more a continuation of the model. And LML is about the only place to get replacement parts for old vespas that isnt NOS (like brazil/mexico for old bug parts)..

Indeed, i want to travel a bit on it, inspired by www.vespa360.com (arond the world on a 2T P-200) and others (like youtube's "hondavstheworld", irish guy travelled alaska to argintina ON A CUB!)...

If they can do it, so can we...
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Oh believe me i majorly research before buying....p vespa, would love one, sure...deal with a 40 year old cantankerous 2stroke?...all steel body, not tupperware over tubing? Whats not to love...drum brakes, front and back?...stella's disc might be considered just ok by modern standards but it is better than clasic drums...computer controlled fuel injection liquid cooling? really? For scooter? And a 150 at that? P's/stella, pop the cowel and it' all right there, simple and straitforward...Stella being "just a clone"? Well, LML was a licensed manufacturer and kept making the P after vespa moved on to improved models...so its more a continuation of the model. And LML is about the only place to get replacement parts for old vespas that isnt NOS (like brazil/mexico for old bug parts)...
I agree with the simplicity of the older style scooter. Not a lot going on that doesn't need to.... I agree that the disc brake is a much needed improvement over the drum set up. Many wrecked Stellas have had the disc set up removed and placed on P series Vespas....

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Indeed, i want to travel a bit on it, inspired by www.vespa360.com (arond the world on a 2T P-200) and others (like youtube's "hondavstheworld", irish guy travelled alaska to argintina ON A CUB!)....
I have a friend who has traveled extensively on his lightly modded Stella. I hope to do a fair amount of travel with the Stella too.

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What is "traced"?
Oops spelling mistake... Should have been traveled.
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I'm honestly surprised nobody has jumped in and ragged on you about getting a stella over a classic P, saying they're cr@p, junk, etc, etc... just check out other threads when the S word comes up....

I have a 4T 2012 Stella I'm breaking in (300 miles now) and outfitting to camp with (the 70 MPG hecka beats the 15 my jeep liberty gets...) but I've been afraid to talk about it to avoid getting just such a ragging....

Other than CARB requiring it to be soooooo leaned out as to be nearly unrunable to register in CA (since Its been retuned into a range more real world usable) I've really had no problems with it.
As a long time rider of a vintage scooter, I have a nugget of advice. These old scooters are capable of being run to death. They can overrun their own limits. Drive your Stella within its design limits, don't try to find out if you have the one which will go faster than it is meant to. Take it easy, be kind to your old scooter. It might surprise you with its durability.
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As a long time rider of a vintage scooter, I have a nugget of advice. These old scooters are capable of being run to death. They can overrun their own limits. Drive your Stella within its design limits, don't try to find out if you have the one which will go faster than it is meant to. Take it easy, be kind to your old scooter. It might surprise you with its durability.
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As a long time rider of a vintage scooter, I have a nugget of advice. These old scooters are capable of being run to death. They can overrun their own limits. Drive your Stella within its design limits, don't try to find out if you have the one which will go faster than it is meant to. Take it easy, be kind to your old scooter. It might surprise you with its durability.
yes, thanx...

I'm impressed with your tourister...all those miles are yours? what year heinkel?
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Old 12-16-2013, 10:40 AM   #25
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Hey, climbamt, welcome to the forum. Really nice-looking scoot for your project. I'm also happy to read another example of Sea Foam successfully cleaning out a carb; I love the stuff!

Can't wait to see her cleaned up & ready to camp. I've got an old 84 Honda Aero that I'm planning on taking camping in the Spring (once it warms up).

You planning on taking her up Sugarloaf Mountain by any chance?
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Hey, climbamt, welcome to the forum. Really nice-looking scoot for your project. I'm also happy to read another example of Sea Foam successfully cleaning out a carb; I love the stuff!

Can't wait to see her cleaned up & ready to camp. I've got an old 84 Honda Aero that I'm planning on taking camping in the Spring (once it warms up).

You planning on taking her up Sugarloaf Mountain by any chance?
Thanks for the Welcome Red Arrow.

I run SeaFoam in all of my scooters. A capful or so every fill-up and have not had any issues with the carbs.

Unfortunately Sugarloaf does not allow motorcycles on the property . am sure they had issues with some of the more aggressive riders in the area.

However the Thurmont area just north of Frederick is loaded with classic riding roads as well as a fair amount of packed gravel roads. I am hoping to get the full classic camping feeling from the area.
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yes, thanx...

I'm impressed with your tourister...all those miles are yours? what year heinkel?
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This scooter was driven by my uncle from Washington DC to LA via Mexico and back in 1960. He gave it to my brother,we shared it for 5 years. In 1982 or 3 the HeinkelClub Deutschland began providing parts, and I bought it for $50 and rebuilt it. It now has over 90,000 miles on it, about 70,000 are mine.
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This scooter was driven by my uncle from Washington DC to LA via Mexico and back in 1960. He gave it to my brother,we shared it for 5 years. In 1982 or 3 the HeinkelClub Deutschland began providing parts, and I bought it for $50 and rebuilt it. It now has over 90,000 miles on it, about 70,000 are mine.

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Thanks for the Welcome Red Arrow.

I run SeaFoam in all of my scooters. A capful or so every fill-up and have not had any issues with the carbs.

Unfortunately Sugarloaf does not allow motorcycles on the property . am sure they had issues with some of the more aggressive riders in the area.

However the Thurmont area just north of Frederick is loaded with classic riding roads as well as a fair amount of packed gravel roads. I am hoping to get the full classic camping feeling from the area.
Too bad about Sugarloaf. Stay away from Camp David or you might wind up on somebody's list. Thurmont is beautiful. My bf's dad used to drive up that way every week to work up in Gettysburg. Fall is the best time.
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New tires and tubes ordered today to use up a credit I had. I ordered Michelin S1 3.5 x 10. The current front tire (also a Michelin S1) is decent and will become the spare. After reading the Honda Aero thread I am glad that the Stella has split rims and tubes! I used a 2 x 4 cut at a 45 do tap the beads loose after cracking the rims. The wide side of the rim took a little more work, and some PB Blaster to get it off. Once it was disassembled, I cleaned the rims halves up and painted semi gloss black so it is ready when the new tires arrive.

Over the weekend I removed the exhaust (Sito) and wire brushed it to get ready for new paint. It is in good condition and a coat of high temp paint will not only protect it, but make it look a bit nicer.

Unfortunately, I do not have room in my garage, and the bike is about 40 miles away. I want to go at it full throttle, but it is going to happen in stages.... Hopefully I can get down and pull a few more parts up and paint or Plasti-dip at my house at my convenience.
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