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Old 12-17-2013, 01:46 AM   #31
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would an adjustaable rear shock with a preload spring be a good mod? tweek the sag and bottoming out...as a 2012 with 400 miles it has new gabreils on it, but not adjustable worth swopping out sometime?
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:08 AM   #32
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would an adjustaable rear shock with a preload spring be a good mod? tweek the sag and bottoming out...as a 2012 with 400 miles it has new gabreils on it, but not adjustable worth swopping out sometime?
Short answer: Yes, but that assumes you can find one- I searched and it looks like you may be in for a hunt- http://www.modernbuddy.com/forum/topic25148.html

http://www.modernbuddy.com/forum/topic21787.html

It sounds like the 4T is not compatible with Stella 2T or Vespa parts- which may explain why it's not performing well- may have been designed to fit a smaller space. I put an adjustable on my p200e, and it helped because I am considerably heavier than your typical Italian from the middle of last century
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Old 12-17-2013, 09:20 AM   #33
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New tires and tubes ordered today to use up a credit I had. I ordered Michelin S1 3.5 x 10. The current front tire (also a Michelin S1) is decent and will become the spare. After reading the Honda Aero thread I am glad that the Stella has split rims and tubes! I used a 2 x 4 cut at a 45 do tap the beads loose after cracking the rims. The wide side of the rim took a little more work, and some PB Blaster to get it off. Once it was disassembled, I cleaned the rims halves up and painted semi gloss black so it is ready when the new tires arrive.

Over the weekend I removed the exhaust (Sito) and wire brushed it to get ready for new paint. It is in good condition and a coat of high temp paint will not only protect it, but make it look a bit nicer.

Unfortunately, I do not have room in my garage, and the bike is about 40 miles away. I want to go at it full throttle, but it is going to happen in stages.... Hopefully I can get down and pull a few more parts up and paint or Plasti-dip at my house at my convenience.
I put Shinko 3.50x10 tube type whitewalls on mine. They hold up amazingly well, but the whitewalls are impossible to keep clean. I replaced my oem catalytic exhaust with a generic stock P series replacement. It is no nosier than the stock pipe. I only replaced it to get rid of the catcon. The Sito may require richer jetting, depending on which model it is.

As far as I know, the 4T Stella does not share any engine, transmission, or rear suspension parts with the 2T or the P series Vespa. They basically cut out the whole rear end of the frame and replaced it with a tubular structure. I first hear the engine was basically the old Bajaj design, then I heard it was totally different, so I don't know. It may use a shock made just for it. I hope there isn't a lack of parts for the 4T Stella when the (YUK) CVT version comes out.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:47 AM   #34
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4T stuff I found...problem, it's pricey

http://www.scooterworks.com/genuine-...o=changeFilter

http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_p...?pnum=1&search[show]=10

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Old 12-17-2013, 02:16 PM   #35
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Some pictures of my Stella. So far all I have done is debadged it (plan on badging it as an LML Star, which it is in most of the rest of the world) replaced the black seat with a brown one, and replaced the blackwall tires with whitewalls. I also removed the black plastic shroud that covered the gear selector box under the right cowl, and installed floor mats. Electric starter has been removed, but it is a one kick affair most of the time. I plan on painting the spare tire cover black, or getting a whitewall spare tire, and getting rid of the cover altogether.










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I got a message from vespa motorworks...the 4T has a eyelet at the top instead of a threaded rod...

so it looks like adjustable shocks aren't avaiable...yet

unless and more 'normal' cycle style could be used?

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Old 12-17-2013, 03:46 PM   #37
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Some pictures of my Stella. So far all I have done is debadged it (plan on badging it as an LML Star, which it is in most of the rest of the world) replaced the black seat with a brown one, and replaced the blackwall tires with whitewalls. I also removed the black plastic shroud that covered the gear selector box under the right cowl, and installed floor mats. Electric starter has been removed, but it is a one kick affair most of the time. I plan on painting the spare tire cover black, or getting a whitewall spare tire, and getting rid of the cover altogether.

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Nice looking bike Jerry! I love that color, especially with the tan seat. Are you planning on selling any of the parts you took off?
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Jerry- that color is awesome- I had an MGB that color- it looked like leftover British wwII paint. Loved it.

Agree about doing something with the spare tire cover- it kinda jumps out with that look- check out the P200 black plastic cover:
http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_p...-for-P-PX/3306

It is very subtle. I just don't know if it's a direct replacement on the Stella.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:59 AM   #39
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Please add this to your list of sources http://scooterpartsco.com/index.php?...x&cPath=85_505 It's going to be interesting to see how much support Genuine offers for this model now that the twist and go version is coming to market.
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Agree about doing something with the spare tire cover- it kinda jumps out with that look- check out the P200 black plastic cover:
http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_p...-for-P-PX/3306

It is very subtle. I just don't know if it's a direct replacement on the Stella.

That cover is listed as a replacement for the Stella also. I would hit the cover with a couple of coats of Krylon Fusion semi gloss black paint (Designed for plastic).A can is less then $5. and should only take a few minutes work.
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Sito Plus Exhaust

The stella has a Sito Plus exhaust on it. It was in really good condition as far as being solid, but was somewhat lacking in the cosmetic department.



I spent a few minutes in the 36 degree garage with a wire brush to clean it up for a fresh coat of paint. It took 4 stores for me to find a high temperature (1200 degree) paint in a semi gloss black paint. It was easy to find 1200 degree flat black or 500 degreesemi-gloss (and it was a bonus size can). A couple of coats of paint in the much warmer basement and it looks MUCH better....



I get to head down to Annapolis tomorrow, pull some more parts, and continue to SLOWLY get her back on the road....
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Please add this to your list of sources http://scooterpartsco.com/index.php?...x&cPath=85_505 It's going to be interesting to see how much support Genuine offers for this model now that the twist and go version is coming to market.
that looks like a good price for the big bore kit. Those extra 15cc's would come in handy.
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Krylon Fusion is what I had in mind. Either that or replace the spare with a wide whitewall and dump the cover altogether. I've never been crazy about things that are cosmetic only. I even considered a rear rack with a spare tire carrier.

The paint burned off the exhaust I put on mine to replace the catcon within 100 miles. But for some reason it is still not very rusty.


I don't know if I would go for a big bore kit or not. The weakest part of the Stella engine seems to be the crank, and putting more stress on it might not be a good idea. And since you are pretty much stuck with the stock gearing, the only way to make it faster would be to spin the engine faster, IMO not a good idea. I have hit 55+ on mine, but generally vary the speed between 45 and 50 (indicated). to keep the engine rpms down. If you are looking for more torque, a big bore kit would help there, but I have done several unintentional wheelies off the line, mostly due to the heavy rear weight bias. For me the Stella is just a relaxation machine. I poke around on it, enjoying the sound, feel, and smell. I spend a lot of time in forth gear. The Stella is geared fairly low overall, so you can reach fourth fairly quickly. I found first is so low it is almost worthless. But I still prefer this over a CVT, because as slow as it is, it is geared low enough to climb anything without lugging the engine. It is a great small scooter for mountain riding.
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Krylon Fusion is what I had in mind. Either that or replace the spare with a wide whitewall and dump the cover altogether. I've never been crazy about things that are cosmetic only. I even considered a rear rack with a spare tire carrier.
The only issue I can see about not having the cover is that depending on which exhaust you have, this is where all of the exhaust spews out and loads up on the tire. I am considering an exhaust pipe extender like this.



http://scooterpartsplace.com/exhaust...sion-pipe.aspx

This one does not fit the Sito that I have, but I will continue to look for one that will.


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The paint burned off the exhaust I put on mine to replace the catcon within 100 miles. But for some reason it is still not very rusty.
I am hoping that the 1200 degree paint will last for a while. The local shop said to get this paint over traditional engine enamel which is rated for 500 degrees. Not sure what paint you used.

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I don't know if I would go for a big bore kit or not. The weakest part of the Stella engine seems to be the crank, and putting more stress on it might not be a good idea. And since you are pretty much stuck with the stock gearing, the only way to make it faster would be to spin the engine faster, IMO not a good idea. I have hit 55+ on mine, but generally vary the speed between 45 and 50 (indicated). to keep the engine rpms down. If you are looking for more torque, a big bore kit would help there, but I have done several unintentional wheelies off the line, mostly due to the heavy rear weight bias. For me the Stella is just a relaxation machine. I poke around on it, enjoying the sound, feel, and smell. I spend a lot of time in forth gear. The Stella is geared fairly low overall, so you can reach fourth fairly quickly. I found first is so low it is almost worthless. But I still prefer this over a CVT, because as slow as it is, it is geared low enough to climb anything without lugging the engine. It is a great small scooter for mountain riding.
I am not thinking about a big bore kit until the time comes that I need to replace the top end of the Stella
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Saturday update

Got some cosmetic stuff done today. Plasti-Dip was applied to the cowls and horn cast. Also put some semi-gloss on the fender ornament and rear turn signal housings. No pictures, I left the camera at the garage where the Stella is. Hopefully I can make it down on Sunday and install the Plasti-Dip-ed parts and take a few pictures.

I found a wiring diagram online and was able to print it out LARGE on 11 x 17 paper. This should help to sort out a couple of issues I am having with lights.... I can email the PDF I created to anyone if they need it.

Waiting on the rear rack and the leg shield guard to come back from sandblasting so I can paint them and install.

She is getting closer... Projects left include:
* Waiting on new tires (will paint last 2 rims when they arrive)
* Paint an install rack and legshield guard
* Sort out electrical gremlins
* Tap and install new front brake switch
* Horse blanket saddle cover

I am sure I will find more as I continue to dig deeper and hopefully closer to being ready to have inspected and get tags for her.


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