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Old 12-19-2013, 03:47 PM   #1
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How not to break in a new tire: counter steer

I had my stupidest face plant yet.

Don't do this.

I thought it would be a good idea to scuff up my newly mounted Metzler NEXT Torrance. So, with less than 1 mile on the tire, I counter-steered to the right then to the left. Then I went down.


The front wheel washed out.

My face hit the pavement.


I have it on video too if you want to laugh at me and call me names.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fHUNjzsXm8

I got lucky. I only sprang my thumb and caused some cosmetic damage to the bike.

Speed: 25-30MPH low-side on straight dry road.
Temperature: 37F
Less than 300 feet from my departure to work.


P.S. I still rode to work that day after the crash.

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Old 12-19-2013, 09:35 PM   #2
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O no!!! How is the bike?? That's an awful story, but at least you can laugh about it. Cold tires are nasty, unscrubbed tires are nasty, but cold unscrubbed tires are...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTNfPdqxuC8

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Old 12-20-2013, 05:38 AM   #3
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New tires- after mounting I scrub them with a stiff bristle brush and Dawn dish detergent, then hit them with the random orbit sander 60 grit before installing the wheels.

So far, that has worked...
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:01 AM   #4
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Oops, well at least it was early and dark so nobody saw you, much preferred
over a riding buddy who low sided leaving a tire shop in rush hour traffic.
Glad to see your ok.

I let nature take its course (and drive real carefully for the first 100 miles)

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Old 12-20-2013, 06:34 AM   #5
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Is it odd that have it on video? Do you always run the video camera or just when you plan to crash.
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Old 12-20-2013, 07:18 AM   #6
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Not to be an english teacher, but in the youtube description:

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Some say new tires are not slick. And, this is a wise tail.
"wive's tale" As in gossip. Not sure what a wise tail is.

That one just catches me as pretty funny.
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Old 12-20-2013, 07:19 AM   #7
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But thanks for the video though - it really doesn't look to me like you were swerving too much - I can easily see that happening to me.
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Old 12-20-2013, 07:28 AM   #8
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Oops, well at least it was early and dark so nobody saw you, much preferred
over a riding buddy who low sided leaving a tire shop in rush hour traffic.
Glad to see your ok.

I let nature take its course (and drive real carefully for the first 100 miles)

Man, I'll have to train my cat to scrub in my tires for me!
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Old 12-20-2013, 08:51 AM   #9
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I've done the exact same thing, minus the wipe out... now I'm scared. Thanks for posting, I'll have this in mind the next time I'm on fresh tires.
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:41 AM   #10
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How not to break in a new tire: counter steer
No. You over steered (or over countersteered) a slick new tire that was also hard due to the cold. What you did was right. How much you did it was wrong for the conditions.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:33 PM   #11
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I buff mine on the balance stand after mounting using an angle grinder and coarse wheel. I can also see if the tire is out of round or grossly out of balance. Then I ride as if I am on ice until I get to gravel road. 10 miles of gravel (yes on a R1150RS) and then some speed they are good to go.

I never change both front and back at the same time. I do not need to worry about both ends

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Old 12-20-2013, 02:11 PM   #12
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There is absolutely no truth whatsoever to the "slick" new tires.

When ya'll get to the Race track not only will you see people with brand spankin new tires.

All you really do need to do is heat a tire just as normal.

http://www.sportrider.com/tips/146_0..._up_new_tires/

First off, Knoche quickly dispatched the old wives' tale that the surface of the tire needs to be scuffed or roughed up to offer grip. "Maybe it's coming from the old days when people were spraying mold release on the tread when the molds were maybe not that precise," Knoche speculates, "and the machinery was not that precise. But nowadays molds are typically coated with Teflon or other surface treatments. The release you put in there (in the sidewall area only, not the tread) is for like baking a cake, you know, so that it fills all the little corners and today that is done more mechanically than by spraying. The sidewall is important because you have all the engraving in the sidewall [with tire size, inflation pressure and certifications] and that you want to look nicely on your tire, so that's why we still spray the mold release there."
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:35 PM   #13
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I don't think anybody in my neighbourhood saw me crash. I lifted the bike in a hurry. Two minutes after crashing I had my bike in my garage and was getting on my older bike. I had my thumb x-rayed in the afternoon. Luckily, I only sprang my thumb. The next day my back and neck hurt a little but I thought this was from lifting the bike wrong. My gear worked well.

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Oops, well at least it was early and dark so nobody saw you, much preferred
over a riding buddy who low sided leaving a tire shop in rush hour traffic.
Glad to see your ok.

I let nature take its course (and drive real carefully for the first 100 miles)

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Old 12-20-2013, 06:40 PM   #14
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Is it odd that have it on video? Do you always run the video camera or just when you plan to crash.
I wear the camera like an accessory. Regrettably, it only captures stupid stuff that I do.
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Old 12-20-2013, 06:48 PM   #15
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Thanks for this.

In the future, I will use accelerations and breaking to 'scuff' ... [warm] up my tires. It does seem a lot safer.



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There is absolutely no truth whatsoever to the "slick" new tires.

When ya'll get to the Race track not only will you see people with brand spankin new tires.

All you really do need to do is heat a tire just as normal.

http://www.sportrider.com/tips/146_0..._up_new_tires/

First off, Knoche quickly dispatched the old wives' tale that the surface of the tire needs to be scuffed or roughed up to offer grip. "Maybe it's coming from the old days when people were spraying mold release on the tread when the molds were maybe not that precise," Knoche speculates, "and the machinery was not that precise. But nowadays molds are typically coated with Teflon or other surface treatments. The release you put in there (in the sidewall area only, not the tread) is for like baking a cake, you know, so that it fills all the little corners and today that is done more mechanically than by spraying. The sidewall is important because you have all the engraving in the sidewall [with tire size, inflation pressure and certifications] and that you want to look nicely on your tire, so that's why we still spray the mold release there."
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