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Old 01-24-2014, 03:55 PM   #31
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that really is a lot of jackets
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:53 PM   #32
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Spidi Worker Wax H2Out Jacket

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Those two little vents above the chest pockets are considered 'Dynamic Intake Vents' ??

With that H2Out membrane it could get hot inside if you're riding in hot, humid areas.
Hi Dan,

the Worker Wax air intakes actually work well. They're in the right position



and when it's hot and humid you can remove the H2out membrane, in this case the air flow goes directly to your body, there's nothing between, a part from a light mesh. That's the point in really working air intakes, and that's why we call it Dynamic Intake Vent. If there's a membrane in between that you can not remove we call it Fake Intake Vent; by the way here you go with the definition:

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Thank you for your attention,

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Old 01-25-2014, 05:58 AM   #33
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I just wish someone ANYONE around here carried the Spidi stuff. I love it. But it can't be found here. That's a lot of coin to drop on something I can't even look at first.
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Old 01-25-2014, 11:00 AM   #34
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that really is a lot of jackets
Yes...I know so will have too see. But soft shell is replacing thermal liner to allow using it off bike, protection suit eliminates need for protectors in jackets so they pack much smaller than with and Transverse replaces membrane and rain jacket but allows it to be used on its own as well.

Not sure about the Oil skin jacket, doubles as casual jacket but so can both soft Shell and Traverse so may leave at home to save space. But would be nice having as alternative and maybe extra layer under Traverse if cold in Andes.
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Old 01-25-2014, 11:28 AM   #35
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Klim is supposed to come out soon with their Rally Air suit, which is their response to the Companero suit.
The mesh suit and the outer shell (GoreTex stretch) will be available separately, so you can buy just the outer shell. Maybe you should wait with the Traverse, as this new solution will be lighter and will pack smaller.
Another solution would be the Held Arso / Sarone combination, which is just on outer GoreTex shell:
http://www.heldmotorcyclestore.com/H...uit_AZWUU.aspx
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Down side with the Held jacket is that it's not abrasion/tear resistant so a matter of time before damage it.

But will be waiting for the Klim alternative, though the Traverse is very versatile. What the Traverse is not, is hard core enduro stuff. Haven't had my Traverse pants for long but it's not held up too well Maybe just me using it for something it was never intended for

Love the comfort/function though. This is earlier today with traverse pants (me filming, I'm the idiot appearing after 4:00).

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Old 01-25-2014, 12:04 PM   #37
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Hi Dan,

nd when it's hot and humid you can remove the H2out membrane,
Ah, I thought I checked the web link and didn't see the liner was removable. That makes a difference.
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Old 01-25-2014, 12:06 PM   #38
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Yes...I know so will have too see. But soft shell is replacing thermal liner to allow using it off bike, protection suit eliminates need for protectors in jackets so they pack much smaller than with and Transverse replaces membrane and rain jacket but allows it to be used on its own as well.

Not sure about the Oil skin jacket, doubles as casual jacket but so can both soft Shell and Traverse so may leave at home to save space. But would be nice having as alternative and maybe extra layer under Traverse if cold in Andes.
If you aren't using all those $$ parts a Barbour or Belstaff waxed or Aerostitch waxed jacked will be much less expensive ... well since you only paid $300 .....

http://www.britishmotorcyclegear.com/jackets.asp

http://www.aerostich.com/falstaff-mo...le-jacket.html
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:40 PM   #39
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Waxed cotton and 60 mph pavement? Not for me.
Made me think...sometimes it's hard to see the obvious: Leather!

IMO leather is underestimated as cold ring gear. I used to change to textile/goretex when cold until realized leather is excellent when cold.

Downsides of leather is rain (though aware there are wp leather gear) but solved by rain jacket or shell like Traverse.

And obviously when very hot but that's where the protection jacket comes in.

Good thing is already have a coupe of leather jackets that could pass as casual Like this one:

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Old 01-25-2014, 09:54 PM   #40
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Rukka has great design, really like it...but it is motorcycle gear and looks like that.




Not exactly "casual".
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Old 01-26-2014, 12:29 AM   #41
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Still LOTS better than this,when it comes to understated anyway. No doubt the BMW gear is great stuff but no doubt bike gear...



By LWD they'd got the point:

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Old 01-26-2014, 06:52 AM   #42
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Made me think...sometimes it's hard to see the obvious: Leather!

IMO leather is underestimated as cold ring gear. I used to change to textile/goretex when cold until realized leather is excellent when cold.

Downsides of leather is rain (though aware there are wp leather gear) but solved by rain jacket or shell like Traverse.
Are you aware of the Macna Chameleon?
It's a twin-shell system (a la Companero), core leather jacket with laminated waterproof overjacket.
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/macna...orcycle-jacket
http://www.roadrunner.travel/2013/04...meleon-jacket/
There's also a corresponding trousers set.
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Old 01-26-2014, 09:09 AM   #43
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Triumph has a handful of models that seem to fit your style requirements. All are $300 or less.

http://shop.triumphmotorcycles.com/apparel

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Old 01-26-2014, 12:35 PM   #44
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Are you aware of the Macna Chameleon?
It's a twin-shell system (a la Companero), core leather jacket with laminated waterproof overjacket.
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/macna...orcycle-jacket
http://www.roadrunner.travel/2013/04...meleon-jacket/
There's also a corresponding trousers set.
Interesting and they have some other twin-systems as well.

That said, never seen the point in zipping in liners and connect jackets. Have a bunch of thermal liners I've never used and loose membranes are on the wrong side of the jacket (unless bonded in which case it prevents jacket from being soggy).

Problem with rain jacket is they get damaged so using a wp Cordura or similar shell makes sense.

Here's another option, some very clever vent pantents in front/side. Looks good and thermal liner can be used separately. And probably more protective than wax cotton:

http://www.webbikeworld.com/r5/tucan...ket/review.htm

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That said, never seen the point in zipping in liners and connect jackets. Have a bunch of thermal liners I've never used and loose membranes are on the wrong side of the jacket (unless bonded in which case it prevents jacket from being soggy).

Problem with rain jacket is they get damaged so using a wp Cordura or similar shell makes sense.
In the Macna system the external shell is a jacket as well.
Regarding connection, on my Companero I can just not bother to connect the outer shell if I want, but if I do connect it, then the whole thing behaves like one single jacket (or pants), so it's easier to take off or on.
If I just put my outer wp jacket on for a short rain, it might not matter. If I have to use them together for a longer rainy/cold trip, it's very convenient.
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