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Old 01-03-2014, 04:32 AM   #1
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-30 f

A Honda 125 Elite scooter is in an unheated, uninsulated shop, with bitter cold temperatures predicted tonight: In the twenties below zero, 30 below possible. Does anyone have experience with pushing the antifreeze envelope? No one seems to worry about the cars when it gets this cold, can anyone from North Dakota or Alaska advise me on whether I should drain the antifreeze? Putting it in is a real hassle.
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Old 01-03-2014, 05:18 AM   #2
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If the shop has electricity, put a trouble light with a 60 watt bulb under it. I did this several times with my old Elite 150.
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Old 01-03-2014, 05:39 AM   #3
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I would also throw a canvas type tarp over it to help hold the heat from the bulb in. Just make sure the tarp can not come into contact with the bulb. I know in my garage, it has the advantage of blocking the wind which creates a warmer environment with minimal heat sources. Make sure the light bulb is an incandescent build, the fluorescent bulbs don't put off much heat.

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Old 01-03-2014, 05:41 AM   #4
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Pretty sure the drain bolt is on the water pump, drain a little and test.
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Old 01-03-2014, 05:49 AM   #5
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A 50/50 mix of ethylene glycol antifreeze and water is good to -34. If that's what you have in it I wouldn't worry about it. Though it may go down to -30 it won't stay there for anything more than a few hours, and even at -34 the antifreeze mixture won't hard freeze. More like a gel/slush.

Of course all of this assumes you've mixed your antifreeze correctly
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:21 AM   #6
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A 50/50 mix of ethylene glycol antifreeze and water is good to -34. If that's what you have in it I wouldn't worry about it. Though it may go down to -30 it won't stay there for anything more than a few hours, and even at -34 the antifreeze mixture won't hard freeze. More like a gel/slush.

Of course all of this assumes you've mixed your antifreeze correctly
OK! The antifreeze is relatively recent and a premix sold here in VT. I have a 60W trouble light I have to move 2 feet. I will only partially cover it with a drop cloth so fumes don't raise hell. Thanks for the plan!
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Old 01-03-2014, 07:47 AM   #7
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When I was a kid my dad used the trouble light trick on our tractor/plow all winter to ensure it would start. A canvas cover (rather than a blue plastic tarp) will still allow fumes to escape but help retain heat. Hope it works fine for ya.

The more hardcore solution (which I don't think anybody uses anymore) is a dipstick heater- keeps the oil hot, but I always suspected it played havoc on the oil properties....
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Back in the 90s, we were stationed in Alaska for 7 years. I had an '84 Ford Escort diesel. They sold small rubber "heating pads" that glued on to the bottom of the oil pan and had a short cord that you would run up to the grille and then attach to an extension cord. They had several sizes - some as small as 4" X 6" if I remember correctly. It kept the oil from turning into molasses when it was below zero. It did not get dangerously hot - you could still touch it for a few seconds comfortably when installed. However, some residual heat would probably work its way up from the oil pan to the block/coolant. I think it used about 100-150 watts.
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Why not just bring your scoot inside the house where it's nice and cozy?
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Old 01-03-2014, 09:01 AM   #10
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Why not just bring your scoot inside the house where it's nice and cozy?
Because I'm married.
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Because I'm married.
I knew there'd come a time when I could post my "I've got the best girlfriend in the world" picture.



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I knew there'd come a time when I could post my "I've got the best girlfriend in the world" picture.


No you don't!

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No you don't!

What a beauty.

I stored my C70 in my kitchen once - and I'm married. Great wife, great life.

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I keep a toaster in my kitchen too.
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I stored my C70 in my kitchen once - and I'm married. Great wife, great life.
I noticed how you said "once."
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