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Old 02-06-2014, 04:39 PM   #91
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What is the best way to climb a steep slick rock hill and how best to ride it back down without soling yourself?

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As Wentjo said, Momentum is your friend. If you go too slow, small bumps or steps can hang you up. It may seem a bit scary, but you have to commit and take it with a bit more speed. Generally I stand on the pegs when going up or down steep hills. Lean forward on the uphills, so the front doesn't come over on you, and lean back on the down hills, so the back doesn't come over on you. Also, get in a low gear. The engine will do a better job of slowing the bike as you decend a steep down hill than the brakes. If you need to apply the brakes, apply equal pressure to both the front and rear. Be prepared to pump the brakes if either wheel starts to slide. Same as driving on ice.
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I've never heard of Pucker Pass, but take it from a Utah Native, it is the top of Long Canyon
I've seen it referred to as Pucker Pass before, but I know it as Long Canyon
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Old 02-06-2014, 04:50 PM   #93
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"MountainsAndRivers" - great pics. I want to get up on the Poison Spider Mesa, but I don't think I'll be jumping the "Golden Crack". I've spoken to my friend "RideFreak" that has been to Moab many times he suggests the following:

Top of the world loop (epic views) leave from the Dewey bridge, ride to the top, then down Rose Garden hill (tough but easily doable esp if you walk it down), out Onion Creek then back to the Dewey bridge.

Another is ride out to Chicken Corners and back or even do Lockhart Basin, you'd have to gas up at the needles outpost before the ride back to town. It's got about 40mi of pavement on the way home though.

There's some nice riding into the LaSalle's but there'll probably be snow up there still. The 7 Mile Rim is also a nice ride.

In any case, I suggest going to youtube and searching for videos that can give you some idea of what to expect on these rides.
These are all great rides, but let not get anyone in over their head. There are several rocky sections along the Top of the World Trail, and taking a KLR down Rose Garden Hill is not something the OP is ready for at this point. Furthermore, Lockhart basin is a fun ride, but with all the steps, It would be foolish for the OP to try that this season. An out and back on Chicken Corners would be a lot of fun for you, as would a ride up Onion Creek.
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Old 02-06-2014, 05:09 PM   #94
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I've never heard of Pucker Pass, but take it from a Utah Native, it is the top of Long Canyon
If you are looking for a Moab trail book, this is one that I've used for a long time. It has directions to the trail head, a few scenic pictures for along the trail, and a rating system.
Yup, Long Canyon. I am not sure where I got Pucker Pass from!
A bud has the Moab Trail Book.
Thanks. Appreciate the pics, stories and advice.
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Old 02-06-2014, 05:33 PM   #95
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Hello Friends,

So far we have:
1. one day of The WRT
2. one day doing Onion Creek, Musselman Arch, up Shafer Trail, Dead Horse State Park, Gemini Bridges, back to Moab.
3. One day doing Chicken Corners, Fins and Things, Sleek Rock, etc.
4. One day of pavement rides to Arches, Canyonland, Dead Horse, La Sal Mountain Loop, etc.

I need Ideas for about three to four more days--looking for easy to moderate trails. Each ride should be a day ride ending back in Moab..

We are a small group, unorganized, no fees collected, everybody responsible for their own health care, insurance, bike legality, emergency plan, etc. Is there a group size limit or should we break up into super small groups?

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Old 02-06-2014, 07:02 PM   #96
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Hello Friends,

So far we have:
1. one day of The WRT
2. one day doing Onion Creek, Musselman Arch, up Shafer Trail, Dead Horse State Park, Gemini Bridges, back to Moab.
3. One day doing Chicken Corners, Fins and Things, Sleek Rock, etc.
4. One day of pavement rides to Arches, Canyonland, Dead Horse, La Sal Mountain Loop, etc.

I need Ideas for about three to four more days--looking for easy to moderate trails. Each ride should be a day ride ending back in Moab..

We are a small group, unorganized, no fees collected, everybody responsible for their own health care, insurance, bike legality, emergency plan, etc. Is there a group size limit or should we break up into super small groups?

Thanks,
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Some of these seem a bit disjointed-please consult a map because I am doing this from a hazy memory, but the day you go up Onion Creek, I think you can take a section of the Kokopelli that puts you out above Castle Valley which you can either run back down to 128 on pavement, or I think you should be able to hook onto the La Sal Mtn Loop from there.

Also, think of progression of ability. If things go well on Fins N Things and Slick Rock, you might want to consider Flat Pass. You get onto it as you head toward Steel Bender south of town by the golf course. I have not actually done the Steel Bender loop, but Flat Pass was not too bad. I remember one decent ledge that you descend if you are running south. A simple get off and walk it section if I remember it right. The rest was mild to moderate little rock features, nothing sticking out in my brain as overly hard. you come out by Ken's Lake on the southside. One note on this ride, shortly after you descend down to the valley floor at the start of the ride, you will come to two creek crossings about 100 yards apart or so. Between them is a little parking area on the right. It is a great place to play in the water and shade in the summer, but the bonus is if you cross the creek and hike up to the base of the big rock wall. If you follow that wall to the left, you will find some lesser known rock drawings/petroglyphs. Even if you just ride out to this spot and head back or venture a little further then turn around, it is a cool little oasis near town.

Also, when you get a little more experience, spending a day at Sovereign would be good. The ATV routes are not very difficult, and there are some good dirt roads around there.

Since you will be doing the WRT, you could incorporate Shafer Trail into that. Then you could do a Gemini Bridges out, Deadhorse Point and back down via Long Canyon.

I also strongly recommend going with lower gearing if you are riding some of this stuff on a KLR. I used to have it's bastard cousin, the KLX 650R, which is the more dirt version. It really became a great tractor on this stuff when I put a 13 tooth up front. Less clutch work, could practically idle up stuff, made a lot of slow/technical stuff a lot easier in my opinion.
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Some of these seem a bit disjointed-please consult a map


Musselman Arch is on the WRT, as is Shafer Trail unless you bypass it using Potash Rd.
Dead Horse is up top too.

Gemini Bridges is nearby, I'd add Bull Canyon and Monitor & Merrimac to that to fill out part of a day.

If you're doing Chicken Corners, do Hurrah and continue south to do the easy part of Kane Creek (you'll know when it gets challenging)

Slickrock and Fins & Things would be a great way to get your sea legs on your first day out.

La Sal Mtns can be combined with Onion Creek out 'n back, Fisher Valley to Sand Flats Rd, etc.

Simba - pick up the Latitude 40 Moab East and Moab West maps.
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Old 02-06-2014, 07:56 PM   #98
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Some of these seem a bit disjointed-please consult a map because I am doing this from a hazy memory, but the day you go up Onion Creek, I think you can take a section of the Kokopelli that puts you out above Castle Valley which you can either run back down to 128 on pavement, or I think you should be able to hook onto the La Sal Mtn Loop from there.
Thanks--I will definitely put it together in a little more organized fashion.
I have done these trails in the past and I like to use these for practice. This time I will be either on a DR350SE or a TW200 (the Tengai got sold and the replacement KLR650 is to 'khromy' for trails).

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I'd add Bull Canyon and Monitor & Merrimac to that to fill out part of a day.

If you're doing Chicken Corners, do Hurrah and continue south to do the easy part of Kane Creek (you'll know when it gets challenging)

Slickrock and Fins & Things would be a great way to get your sea legs on your first day out.

La Sal Mtns can be combined with Onion Creek out 'n back, Fisher Valley to Sand Flats Rd, etc.

Simba - pick up the Latitude 40 Moab East and Moab West maps.
Thanks--will pickup the maps to organize better. I want to be efficient but also want to maximize experiences. I think pavement rides to the National Parks and Dead Horse State Park, SR128 along side The Colorado River, La Sal Mountain Loop are also must do's.


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, SR128 along side The Colorado River, La Sal Mountain Loop are also must do's.
Lots of folks coming from Colorado get off I-70 at the second Cisco offramp and take 128 into Moab. The scenic part really begins once you're down to Dewey Bridge.....so if one of your rides has Onion Creek at it's start - you will be doing the good section of 128 getting to Onion Creek.

There's a fun and accessible portion of Kokopelli Trail that is easy to include. The Kokopelli Trail crosses 128 a few miles north of Dewey Bridge

https://www.google.com/maps/preview/...!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

then rambles around north of 128 and dumps back out right at Dewey Bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/preview/...!3m1!1s0x0:0x0



Doing that at the beginning of an Onion Creek ride would be good.
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If you are old enough to remember the original 'Vanishing Point' ,Cisco is where they filmed the final scene with Kowalski crashing into the bulldozers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco,_Utah


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that's wild.... I've seen that movie several times (been years since the last time though) and never knew that. I've been thru Cisco a few times, that's a cool 'little known fact'.

when I lived in Vegas and rode north thru Goldfield, NV I recognized that town as being where Super Soul broadcast from.
http://www.movie-locations.com/movie...ing_Point.html

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If you are old enough to remember the original 'Vanishing Point' ,Cisco is where they filmed the final scene with Kowalski crashing into the bulldozers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco,_Utah


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Old 02-07-2014, 11:00 AM   #102
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That's hilarious! I was just telling someone about that scene a few hours ago. The buildings are still there, just more decrepit. I also liked the scenes through Glenwood Canyon on old hwy 6, which is now basically the bike path..
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Lots of folks coming from Colorado get off I-70 at the second Cisco offramp and take 128 into Moab. The scenic part really begins once you're down to Dewey Bridge.....so if one of your rides has Onion Creek at it's start - you will be doing the good section of 128 getting to Onion Creek.

There's a fun and accessible portion of Kokopelli Trail that is easy to include. The Kokopelli Trail crosses 128 a few miles north of Dewey Bridge

https://www.google.com/maps/preview/...!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

then rambles around north of 128 and dumps back out right at Dewey Bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/preview/...!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

Doing that at the beginning of an Onion Creek ride would be good.
Thanks Again. I definitely would like have new and old buddies ride SR128, Onion Creek, Kokopelli, etc, with me. I will also include Gemini Bridges somehow on this day.

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If you are old enough to remember the original 'Vanishing Point' ,Cisco is where they filmed the final scene with Kowalski crashing into the bulldozers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco,_Utah
I remember watching 2 cool movies with my older brothers--'Vanishing Point' and 'Fear is the key'. So thanks for bringing back some fond memories. I think the car in the 'VP' was a ?Ford Capri--not sure but will do a search after sending this out.

Also heard from a post from somebody last year---The 'Cisco Disco' burned down.

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Nope not Ford capri
it was a 1970 Dodge Challenger RT. Really cool and sad ending in the movie, from a Young Boy's Perpective.
Good Old Days!
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:27 PM   #105
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Nope not Ford capri
it was a 1970 Dodge Challenger RT. Really cool and sad ending in the movie, from a Young Boy's Perpective.
Good Old Days!
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Now thats a cool sled, 70 R/T model, and look under the front, def. equipped with a big wedge motor.
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