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Old 08-24-2012, 10:59 AM   #271
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The number of tests is really not the issue, it's the results thereof. Exaggerated figures are often used for emphasis. AFAIK, he complied with the testing procedures. Testimony by former competitors, some of whom had themselves been found to be positive, and with no forensic evidence to back those up means very little in a 'real' court. The kangaroos handle it differently, obviously.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:14 AM   #272
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He has been investigated and answering charges of doping since 1999. That's 13 years, not "as soon as." I can imagine his frustration of having federal investigators drop a case just to have a cunt with a chip on his shoulder in the USADA charge him.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:25 AM   #273
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The number of tests is really not the issue, it's the results thereof. Exaggerated figures are often used for emphasis. AFAIK, he complied with the testing procedures. Testimony by former competitors, some of whom had themselves been found to be positive, and with no forensic evidence to back those up means very little in a 'real' court. The kangaroos handle it differently, obviously.
Interesting, huh.

All those competitors that were doping during Armstrong's run were caught, but he wasn't.
Oh, that makes perfect sense.

Ya' know, looking back on those races, he just intimidated the shit outta those guys. He was so inside their heads, it was damn near impossible for them to focus.
Doping or not, methinks there be a LOT of guys who really don't like him and want to see him loose at something.

Now we have the USADA "stripping" him of his 7 TDF titles.
Didn't know it was theirs to strip.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:27 AM   #274
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Maybe the UCI will refuse to erase his results. It sounds like they're waiting for the USADA to give them an explanation.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:30 AM   #275
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If he was tested at race time and passed they should leave him alone.The results of the testing should be made final no more than 6 months after the first initial test for the race in question with no possability for reviewing or retesting the results after 6 months.I smell politics-is it the french?
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:37 AM   #276
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:42 AM   #277
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So you know ... most of the testing is done with urine. Most of the time with blood.
Few times I had people at my place that was under USADA control and they only gave/collected urine.
Lot of stuff is by-passed by urine test. Lot of stuff is sophisticated synthetic blood stuff. Lot of athletes do dope. sometime are not cought.
I think is not defending because he knows he will not be able to defend it.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:46 AM   #278
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Maybe the UCI will refuse to erase his results. It sounds like they're waiting for the USADA to give them an explanation.
Don't recall the sequence of events or who did what to who, but if the UCI handled the tests, they sure as hell ain't gonna let us tell them they were wrong



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If he was tested at race time and passed they should leave him alone.The results of the testing should be made final no more than 6 months after the first initial test for the race in question with no possability for reviewing or retesting the results after 6 months.I smell politics-is it the french?

It would seem to make sense, especially when the events in question happened on foreign soil and we had no jurisdiction over the athletes.
Politics for sure...the French ? Dunno. looks like we should be more concerned on why we (our government) needs to spend tons of $s hurting down a bike racer .
(sorry...didn't mean to bend this towards CS&M land.....it just really smells)
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:47 AM   #279
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It'll all come out one way or another ... I'm not sure why else Johan would step aside and sit out the Tour, or why former teammates would bow out of the Olympics, or why 10 other yet-to-be-named cyclists were willing to testify at the arbitration hearings. And then there were the little matters of a $250k donation to the UCI in the way of blood test equipment, and $450K to a certain Dr. Ferrari ... hmmm ...

As for "500 tests"? Complete B.S. ... nowhere near that number. For example, http://www.usada.org/athlete-test-history

"Never failed a test" is another way of saying "never got caught".

Oh wait, nevermind ... it's just a "witch hunt" ...

This is only the beginning ...
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Sorry guys...this is putting me over the edge...
from Yahoo:

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/break...163628072.html

Some interesting comments:

"No winners until proven by USADA; medals awarded after X years"

"Funny he passed every test yet they kept hammering away. I guess they figured on a war of attrition which would sap Armstrong of his financial resources in order to win in court. "





It's just so meaningless. It's history. Ancient history. What is the point , except to spend our money ?
Sounds like a witch hunt
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:01 PM   #281
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Don't recall the sequence of events or who did what to who, but if the UCI handled the tests, they sure as hell ain't gonna let us tell them they were wrong






That and UCI hates USADA. UCI has asked USADA to hand over all the evidence if they expect UCI to strip the titles.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:41 PM   #282
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I wonder if any other government would have went after their own like the USADA? What a bunch of bullshit! I realize he may not be the nicest guy but he sure has done a lot for cancer treatment and those who are battling it. I too think I will try to find a Livestrong jersey and wear it till it falls off.

Nothing like eating your own! Great job USADA! PRICKS!

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Old 08-24-2012, 12:46 PM   #283
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I've gotta admire Lance for stepping away from it all. I'm sure he;s weighed the pros-cons and understands the implications. Sometimes it's better to step away from it, lets the chips fall where they may in order to focus on bigger endevours. The guy is a hell of an athlete regardless.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:50 PM   #284
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"Never failed a test" is another way of saying "never got caught".

This comment blows my mind.
What a dick thing to say/think.

You are implying that its impossible for the guy to have won cleanly. He passed the tests (no matter how many of them - 29 or 500) and that's the only science in the game. The rest is hearsay- at best. Period.

This preoccupation with "getting" the guy is bullshit.

What should be looked into, on the other hand is how every damn penny is spent by the USADA. It kills me that some shithead lawyer can spend tax dollars chasing dip shit issues like this.
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That and UCI hates USADA. UCI has asked USADA to hand over all the evidence if they expect UCI to strip the titles.
Ya' know, our own DofJ dropped their case against him in Feb. this year, but that ain't good enough for USADA....bunch of crusaders
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