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Old 08-24-2012, 05:12 PM   #301
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:00 PM   #302
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I know what Lance is thinking about the USADA..."FYYFFs"
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:21 PM   #303
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If the USADA's objective is to use Lance as an example of what they plan to do to others.....mission accomplished. If they are engaging in a witch hunt pushed by the fucking snobbish French cycling elite to strip Lance.....mission accomplished. If the USADA's objective is to rid cycling of performance enhanching drugs.....there will be one 5 year old on a bike with training wheels at the next Tour De Farce and that's it.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:32 PM   #304
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That's a lot of wanky sentimental mawkishness. He was star, a star man, so what if he used EPO. They all did. And shit, now Lance pushes cancer cures so that's another reason to let it go. He's now injecting virtue.


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I think there's a couple of things that strike me as well. Yes, these results are consistent with that argument. The other is that we know how Armstrong performed before the '99 Tour. '93, '94, '95, '96. And look, a couple of those races he couldn't even finish, another race I think he's an hour and a half behind. Specifically in the time trial he was dropping minutes to the other competitors.

Now compare that with '99, and it's a helluva transformation. Instead of dropping off and not being competitive, he was actually dropping the rest of the peloton off. So something dramatically changed in relation to Armstrong versus the rest of the peloton across that period of time. That's unarguable.

There's, as we've been talking about, pretty unequivocal evidence, well, it is unequivocal evidence, that he was using EPO during the '99 Tour. Now, that would go a long way to explaining that reversal in competitiveness in Armstrong v. the peloton.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:49 PM   #305
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:02 PM   #306
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It was a level field, never caught him.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:13 PM   #307
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It was a level field, never caught him.
Yabut the Alps are not very level. Just saying...
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:35 PM   #308
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The funniest thing about this is that without Mr. Armstrong- cycling in America would be as obscure as Greg LeMond....
You know what, the rest of the world and I am fine with that. I adored LeMond and I screamed for Boyer before him and Irishman Sean Kelly and Australian Phil Anderson. Bob Roll, etc. in between.

Lance couldn't polish King Kelly's shoes. He turned a wonderful racing season of one day classics and major tours and Criteriums into a one-race circus with a lot of 'training' races.

Het Volk, win Pair-Tours, Liege-Bastogne-Liege or the Vuelta or Amstel Gold?

Lance ever win Ghent-Wevelgem? No. George Hincapie did, though. Eddy Merckx did 3 times. So did Sean Kelly. So did Freddy Maetens.

How about the Amstel Gold. Merckx won twice, Jan Raas won five time, 4 in a row. Lets not forget about Freddy Maertens.

Lance did win Fleche Wallone, the race that Merckx also won twice.

But Lance isn't fit to wipe Hinault's bottom, either.

There are loads of fantastic racers from other parts of the world and some very good Americans without the attitude and hubris of Armstrong, who, in 10 years time, will be only a footnote with an asterik.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:47 PM   #309
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If there is equally compelling evidence that they cheated too then yes,
What is the compelling evidence? Is there any "Hard" evidence like a flunked drug test?
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:48 PM   #310
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The USADA was created in 2000. They are trying to strip Lance of a title he won in 1999. I hope UCI and The Tour tell the USADA to fuck off.
sometimes I wonder if you were dropped on your head.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:50 PM   #311
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Very interesting and LONG article from 2009 about the testing and Armstrong.

"Dr. Michael Ashenden began his career as an exercise physiologist with the Australian Institute of Sport. After assisting in the development of an EPO test for the Sydney Olympic Games, he left the AIS to focus on battling blood doping. In 2005, Dr. Ashenden was among of group of scientists who questioned the validity of a physiological study on Lance Armstrong, a dispute that led him to serve as an expert witness in an arbitration case involving Armstrong and a bonus payment for winning the Tour. Dr. Ashenden kindly agreed to speak with us and shed some new light on that controversy. He also helped us analyze the 6 positives from Armstrong's '99 Tour samples with a level of detail never before made public."

Read it here: http://nyvelocity.com/content/interv...chael-ashenden
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What is the compelling evidence? Is there any "Hard" evidence like a flunked drug test?

Article above. Read it. Unless you believe, like Paul, that every drug testing body on every continent were set out to strip Lance of his titles.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:52 PM   #312
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If Lance was any other nationality you fuckers would be crucifying him ......
go straight for the jugular you hard bastard you.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:56 PM   #313
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Fuck the fucking fuckers!

Lance won, you didn't!

I'll still get on my Red, White and Blue US Postal Service Trek bike Saturday morning and know that Lance ruled them all and their pussies still hurt!
alright Fred. Don't forget your US Postal Service togs and LiveStrong bracelet.

Do have Lance Armstrong signature model aerobars on that thing?
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:16 PM   #314
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alright Fred. Don't forget your US Postal Service togs and LiveStrong bracelet.

Do have Lance Armstrong signature model aerobars on that thing?
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:59 PM   #315
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So he's given up the fight... But still denies doping...

Seems hard not to see it as an admission of guilt.
I disagree.

At what point should he be satisfied? Or better yet at what point would the USADA be satisfied?

Should you fight the good fight until you are penniless and living on the street?

I don't think there is anything that Lance could do to "win" with the USADA, but if somehow he did what would he receive in return? Would he be awarded his attorney fees or would he just be told, "well I guess you were telling the truth, my bad."

Fatty Arbuckle was a famous and popular actor who was accused of rape and murder. He successfully defended himself in a court of law and was found to be not guilty. However he used up every bit of money he had to get this not guilty verdict then basically never worked again so that he died penniless and alone.

In my opinion when Lance decided to not play the game anymore it made the USADA out to be more of a joke, not less. What are they going to do to him and whatever they decide will anyone take them seriously?

I remember when Lance won those titles, he was an American hero. I find it horrible that someone would make it their personal crusade to tear this person down.
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