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Old 02-17-2014, 11:46 AM   #1
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tubed tire will not seat - sorry search is broken

apologies, the search never happened. google fu/foo/fool is weak.



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the damned thing still won't set in the bead as it should. i've a stack of tires taller than me that didn't have this problem.

i've gone up/down on the pressure but 85 psi was my limit. i really don't want to get impaled. i've hammered on it, dropped it from shoulder height, rode it at 30 mph with 8psi, rode it at 70mph at 20 psi, kicked it and used all my really good cuss words.

it will not seat.

ideas not covered already ?

(yes, the tire is in the rim lock correctly, no it's not tightened yet)
(yes, i cleaned the rim/bead)
(yes, i put a 21" tube in, not a 26, or 700c, or whatever)

ok, fire away.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:43 PM   #2
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deflate completely, core out, squeeze tire inward to expose bead area, slather with soap/water mix, quickly inflate, install core, enjoy
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:53 PM   #3
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Go to a tire shop and get a glob of some of that lube they smear on a tire before they mount them. Or come to Ms. And I'll send you home with some.

Get some of that, break the bead and lube like mad. It drys clean inflate and it should go. I've never had it fale me and I've seen it work when other things will not.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:59 PM   #4
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Also be sure there's nothing on the rim in the way. I've seen guys use duct tape on their rims to cover the spokes and they put it out too far where the bead goes. Also, I've seen guys with rims that are corroded and the corrosion prevents the bead from seating.
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Old 02-17-2014, 01:18 PM   #5
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Got the same problem, no matter what I did, it just don't seat. Learn from youtube by using tie wrench, it become very easy to seat the bead. problem solved.


Don't forget to take the change to do the balance. This is also very easy, no need a fancy balance machine.
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Old 02-17-2014, 03:49 PM   #6
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Also try pushing the tyre in to the rim a bit opposite the area where it won't seat, as you inflate. My 640 front wheel can be a PITA like that with some tyres.

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Old 02-17-2014, 09:18 PM   #7
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Ask for some better cuss words in Jomamma

Break the bead and move the tire on the rim, you've obviously got two sticky spots in the same place.

It is a 21" tire right?
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Old 02-18-2014, 04:20 AM   #8
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I just went thru this with tubed street tires on cast rims. I got a gallon jug of RU-Glyde from Pep Boys, slathered that on and the beads slid right into place
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by far the best lubricant i've used is windex - i have tried them all, and it has worked everytime for me.. make sure rim and bead is clean and rim is straight/not bowed out or in at bead. lubricate, rotate tire 90 degrees on rim. lubricate again. put bad spot up, and push down moderately on rim as you inflate quickly to 40psi or so. wait a while.. if it doesn't seat, pull core, and repeat. riding on it will not seat it.
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Also be sure there's nothing on the rim in the way. I've seen guys use duct tape on their rims to cover the spokes and they put it out too far where the bead goes. Also, I've seen guys with rims that are corroded and the corrosion prevents the bead from seating.
i use duct tape, without a big controversy, I'll double check what you suggested. thanks!
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Got the same problem, no matter what I did, it just don't seat. Learn from youtube by using tie wrench, it become very easy to seat the bead. problem solved.


Don't forget to take the change to do the balance. This is also very easy, no need a fancy balance machine.
I Balance on the bike, after prying out the pads a little. thanks for the reminder
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Ask for some better cuss words in Jomamma

Break the bead and move the tire on the rim, you've obviously got two sticky spots in the same place.

It is a 21" tire right?
good idea, I'll give it a shot. thanks, yes, it's a 21"wheel with tube
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I just went thru this with tubed street tires on cast rims. I got a gallon jug of RU-Glyde from Pep Boys, slathered that on and the beads slid right into place
OK, I'll slather some more, thanks!
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Old 02-18-2014, 08:09 PM   #15
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Also be sure there's nothing on the rim in the way. I've seen guys use duct tape on their rims to cover the spokes and they put it out too far where the bead goes. Also, I've seen guys with rims that are corroded and the corrosion prevents the bead from seating.


this ones the winner. I had cleaned, but not well enough. the glue from the tape plus dirt and oxidized aluminum looked to be minimal, but wasn't and blended into the corner of the rim.

was it enough to scrape, sand, and finally clean ?

no. 75psi finally pushed it in place.


won't be using duct tape (for that) again.


the garage rocks, thanks guys!
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