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Old 09-07-2005, 11:53 AM   #1
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Wink 4 stroke Scooter Advice

My wife is really jonesing for a scooter. But she doesn't want a 2 stroke.

So what do you all know about 4 stroke scooters?
- Reliability?
- Brands? Vespa clones?
- can they be souped up?

I think my wife would want something that would do 45mph. Me? I want it to do 65 - 70, just in case.

So far, I'm aware of the new Vespas (ET2 and ET2) but they're really pricey. I've seen this scooter clone (Bajaj sp?) that on the surface looks nice.

What say the intelligentsia?

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Old 09-07-2005, 11:55 AM   #2
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www.tngscooters.comThey have these at a scooter shop near me. The Baja 150 is a decent adventure scooter with enough power to go fast.
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Old 09-07-2005, 11:58 AM   #3
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The Bajaj is a Vespa PX/Stella but with a 4 stroke motor..
and drum brakes front and rear (same as Vespa.. Stella gets disc front)
and a cheaper suspension than the Stella...
and slower..

same chassis and parts.. for the most part.
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Old 09-07-2005, 12:02 PM   #4
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I take it you've ruled out the Silver Wing and Burgman? Those will tour cross-country.
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Old 09-07-2005, 12:08 PM   #5
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Have you looked into the Aprilia's at all. The Atlantic line looks pretty sweet and I've been told the Atlantic 500 will do near 100!!

http://www.apriliausa.com/models03/s...ng/mondo.phtml
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Old 09-07-2005, 12:18 PM   #6
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The Bajaj is a Vespa PX/Stella but with a 4 stroke motor..
and drum brakes front and rear (same as Vespa.. Stella gets disc front)
and a cheaper suspension than the Stella...
and slower..

same chassis and parts.. for the most part.
Minor point, but the current PX also has a front disk.
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Old 09-07-2005, 12:52 PM   #7
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Not sure if it's available in the states, but this scooter gives me a warm and fuzzy.

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Old 09-07-2005, 01:09 PM   #8
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I think 200-250cc four strokes would be about perfect. About like old Riva we had.
I don't really care for all those 500cc type deals, they cost more than a motorcycle, and don't really get good mileage.
Not sure what size this scooter is,....

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Old 09-07-2005, 01:09 PM   #9
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I take it you've ruled out the Silver Wing and Burgman? Those will tour cross-country.
Yeah. She wants something to scoot around town with.

See, we live in a small town, 25k folks, and besides driving to work, use the car only for grocery shopping, post office, gym, a few restaurants and movies.

There are lots of 35 mph roads that can be driven to get to where we want, but I'd like to hop it up to be a bit hooliganish.

She told me that if I got her a smallish scooter, she'd probably never drive the car, weather permitting. She's telling me to sell the 4Runner.
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:18 PM   #10
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My wife is really jonesing for a scooter. But she doesn't want a 2 stroke.

So what do you all know about 4 stroke scooters?
- Reliability?
- Brands? Vespa clones?
- can they be souped up?
On the low end there are gazillions of 125/150cc "clones" out there (and now I've forgotten what they're based on...CPI bikes probably) but one distributor to look at is Vento.

try www.qualityscooters4less.com for an idea of pricing (includes shipping). Most of these bikes--they all look pretty much alike and have different graphics--are based on the same motor, with varying degrees of quality in terms of the rest of the components and QC.

Go to http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/VentoScooters/ to check out the owner group.

Be aware that a lot of the 150's are actually125's. You'll find that out after hanging out a bit on the Vento Yahoo group.

Hop-ups are generally limited to some mild head work, pipe, and variator mods on those bikes.

TnG is a good brand--the Baja 150 (as mentioned earlier) looks like a neat deal in a scoot.

The Bajaj Chetak is a tough little 150cc 4-speed scooter. Not all the Vespa parts fit but it does have a look very similar to the Vespa PX-150. They used to make a model called the Legend but I believe they're just going to bring the Chetak into the states. Used they go for about $1700-$2400.

The Stella is a LML-built Vespa PX-150 with a few upgrades--reed valve engine, gas shocks. It's essentially a brand new 20 year old bike. Requires a bit more hands-on to make the relationship work--sorta like buying a Ural or a Royal Enfield versus a new Japanese bike--but absolutely fantastic if you want a bike with endless customization and go-fast possibilities. Used they go for about $2000-$2500.

Then there's the major manufacturers--honda, yamaha, Kymco, and so on. You start getting into some money.

IMHO the best way to go in is a used scoot--you'll recoup your money a bit faster in terms of gas savings, and usually end up okay on resale.

A good buy in a used scoot would be Honda Elite 250 or older (80's era) Honda Helix (250). Usually under $2K and bulletproof. The little Yamaha 125's have a good following, too.

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I think my wife would want something that would do 45mph. Me? I want it to do 65 - 70, just in case.
For a 50cc bike a solid cruise of 35-40 is good; being able to hit 45 is very handy.

For the clone 125-150 automatics, expect a cruise of 50 and a top end of 65. The nicer bikes--TnG, Kymco, Honda, Yamaha, Vespa, etc - a bit more on cruise and top end.

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So far, I'm aware of the new Vespas (ET2 and ET2) but they're really pricey. I've seen this scooter clone (Bajaj sp?) that on the surface looks nice.

What say the intelligentsia?

Find a couple you like. Test ride them. That's the fun part.

On the used 50cc bike, I recouped my purchase price in gas savings in 3 months.

I'm probably saving around $150/mo. on gas right now with the Stella, though gas savings isn't the only reason I have it. The damn thing is more fun to ride around town than any other bike I've ever had.
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:19 PM   #11
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Mods, please move this thread to the scooter thread (oh, wait, we don't have a scooter thread).

Never mind....
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:21 PM   #12
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:38 PM   #13
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FYI.. Mt. Baker Motorsports in Bellingham, WA has a Big Ruckus on the floor marked down to $4499 out the door..

Saw it there on last Wed.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:05 PM   #14
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FYI.. Mt. Baker Motorsports in Bellingham, WA has a Big Ruckus on the floor marked down to $4499 out the door..

Saw it there on last Wed.
Really. Hmmm....
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:06 PM   #15
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I like the Honda Elite 80


MSRP$2350

I have NO idea what top speed is.
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