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Old 03-08-2014, 05:32 PM   #16
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Valid responses.

The OP ask a question, why? There were a few valid answers about human behavior, confirmed through testing. Demonstrate via video examples.

So the question is, do we just continue to complain and expect others to change their behavior?

Or do we use this information to change our own behavior?

Which option is most likely going to make us safer?

Im not finding fault with the OP. I would be pissed too. But this has to be a learning experience.
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Old 03-08-2014, 06:06 PM   #17
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I was once almost run over leaving a parking lot by a young lady. I was on my ST1300 behind this young gal trying to make a left hand turn out into busy traffic. We had been sitting there for a couple minutes waiting for traffic to clear, when all the sudden she throws her car into reverse and begins to back up into me. I laid on the horn, but she kept coming. Thankfully her boyfriend sitting next to her began to yell at her and she stopped inches from my front tire. If he wouldn't have yelled at her I probably would have been injured for sure, there was no way I could back peddle that 700lb. beast out of the way or even bail in time.
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Old 03-08-2014, 06:33 PM   #18
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I was sitting in my cage on the street waiting for the light several cars ahead when a woman came out of the store and got into her truck. She put her truck into reverse and backed straight out into the side of the car ahead of me. She had to have seen the line of cars stopped in the driving lane for the light as she walked out of the store and into her car. I seriously think people are on drugs these days. How do you protect yourself from that.??
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Old 03-08-2014, 07:51 PM   #19
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*** she runs out of the car and says, " I didn't see you". I'm a 250# guy sitting on a YELLOW F800 GS w/ silver paniers! ***
Glad you were not badly injured!

It's the DWHUA syndrome .. "Driving With Head Up Ass." I'm not making an excuse with this next comment, but "I didn't see him" (or the variant ".. soon enough to stop") is a common element in all accidents. In other words, whether car/bike, car/car, whatever, nobody means for a collision to happen, that's why they're called ACCIDENTS!

Of course, even if unintended the collision still involves at least some negligence .. an idiot in a no-idiot zone! They're just well insulated from the consequences of their stupidity. And ..

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*** The type of woman that has never faced any consequences in her life for anything ***
Agreed. Also seems to apply to an ever-broadening percentage of the population in general. If it's not a consequence meaningful to the offender then it's inconsequential and they'll just continue their behavior as they please. A fine? ... pfft!, no big deal to many.

I think upbringing often has much to do with this. True or not, I once heard a story about a rider who was hit and injured badly by a teen driver (a girl, BTW). His revovery required a long stay in the hospital (lost a leg IIRC, plus more). Her parents made her go to the hospital every day that he was there! She sat outside his room to start with: I think he wouldn't see her at first but her parents made her stay. They intended for her life to be interrupted for at least the duration of his stay. She had to face her victim, humanizing him to her. She cared for him, kept him company. Ultimately they grew close and it was a good way for both of them to heal. I don't think that outcome could reasonably be expected in all (if even many) victim/offender accidental collision situations, but that can be overcome ...

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*** So the question is, do we just continue to complain and expect others to change their behavior?

Or do we use this information to change our own behavior?

Which option is most likely going to make us safer?

Im not finding fault with the OP. I would be pissed too. But this has to be a learning experience.
... immediate infliction of duplicate injuries upon the negligent cage driver, right at the accident scene! They can share the ambulance ride! They can stay in the second bed in the same hospital room for the same duration! Eat the same shitty food! Even if they have it, they shall be prohibited from utilizing the benefit of better healthcare insurance than the rider has! THEN turn the lawyers loose on the offender/insurance policy!

Yes, I've had a bad day. I guess public floggings are poo-poo'ed these days? Bearing the burden for our own safety still beats living in a cage!

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Old 03-10-2014, 05:41 PM   #20
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The then asked how many saw the penguin walk in the middle of the dance.
I missed it and so did a great number of others.






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Old 03-12-2014, 09:41 PM   #21
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Duh!

I was driving the lead car of a funeral procession on a very busy stretch of urban road in west StL a couple of years ago and saw a really stupid and scary accident. Our funeral home always used motorcycle escorts to help keep the procession safe and moving smoothly. This busy stretch of road is 5 lane undivided with the center lane acting as a common turn lane. Urban sprawl has caused this old stretch of hwy 66 to have an unbelievable amount of businesses and small strip malls with their own entry to the road. Our escorts would leap frog to the next traffic signal and blink traffic while the procession rolled through.

Anyhow, our effrontery escort blocked the signaled exit to one of the longer strip plazas. As I was approaching that intersection I saw a car racing toward the plaza trying to beat the procession. I sounded my siren and called on the handheld to the escort but it was too late. A teen boy smacked this big H-D with all of his strobes and my sirens. The rider wasn't hurt badly even though those guys don't wear protective pants most of the time. This kid had his mind made up and nothing could change his minds perception of how this was going to play out.

People are only looking out for themselves.
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Old 03-13-2014, 09:09 AM   #22
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Happens to cagers as well. Wife and I were at a new shopping center that opened up. We were waiting for the guy in front to turn so we could go. All of a sudden, idiot starts reversing. I don't know what's behind us, so I don't try to reverse myself, merely increase pressure on the brake pedal and lean on the horn. Thankfully, he didn't hit us (we're in a Ford Escape and he had a car, no way were we invisible.) I always do what I've been taught when reversing a car, actually TURNING AROUND to look out the back windows. That being said, when I take my truck (F150) to this place, I always park in the back of the lot so I can reverse into the space. That way, when I pull out, I am going straight and I can see easier.
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Old 03-13-2014, 09:13 AM   #23
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I think upbringing often has much to do with this. True or not, I once heard a story about a rider who was hit and injured badly by a teen driver (a girl, BTW). His revovery required a long stay in the hospital (lost a leg IIRC, plus more). Her parents made her go to the hospital every day that he was there! She sat outside his room to start with: I think he wouldn't see her at first but her parents made her stay. They intended for her life to be interrupted for at least the duration of his stay. She had to face her victim, humanizing him to her. She cared for him, kept him company. Ultimately they grew close and it was a good way for both of them to heal. I don't think that outcome could reasonably be expected in all (if even many) victim/offender accidental collision situations, but that can be overcome ..

Bob.

I will say this; kudos to her parents for making her face the consequences of her actions. Don't see that much these days. I bet now, she is super attentive whenever she's out and about.
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Old 03-15-2014, 04:05 AM   #24
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What is it with women in parking lots? Every parking lot I go in, I am having to dodge crazed drivers intent on pulling out or running over me. We are not moving fast, we are in relatively confined quarters. There are lines on the road where to drive and where to stop. All over the country where I have ridden, I have noticed if a) I am in a parking lot, b) a car is moving and c) a woman is behind the wheel. I need to get out of the way. They don't stop, look or even drive in a straight line. I have not been able to correlate hair color to my theorem but I can defiantly state all the near misses in parking lots did not involve men.
Yesterday I just made a quick run to the grocery. Had my coat and helmet on but no boots. Just needed a few things.
After mounting up and driving the bike. I pulled over to the edge of this huge parking lot, 2 feet from the edge, WAY out of the way of any traffic. I stopped to mess with my GPS that was yacking at me. ( In a woman's voice I might add). I was there for two maybe three minutes when a woman backed across the parking lot to hit me. Coming from her parking spot, across two lanes of the road and then squarely putting her bumper on my front tire! I see this coming and cant even believe it. I knew she was going to stop, she had to stop, no she isn't going to stop. Knocked me over and off the bike. I rolled off of the pavement onto the dirt/mud. Then she runs out of the car and says, " I didn't see you". I'm a 250# guy sitting on a YELLOW F800 GS w/ silver paniers! Lady you didn't look back did you? She had robbed the bank and was now making her getaway! Me and the bike were a little dinged up, I kicked her bumper with my leg. ( Thats why Im here with an ice pack on my leg instead of out riding this morning. ) The bike had a mirror knocked loose.

So the lesson from this? I think there are two:
1) A moving target is harder to hit than one standing still. Don't stop in parking lots - get out of there.
2) Stay out of parking lots that are frequented by women. Clothing stores, grocery stores, the Mall. If you must ride in a parking lot, go to Cabela's, Bass Pro Shop, Motorcycle Shop lots. You'll be safer.
An older and wiser friend once explained to me, "women don't drive, they sort of take aim and then pull the trigger!"

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Old 03-15-2014, 09:33 AM   #25
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Years ago I worked on a crew doing underground for traffic signals in the Portland area. The most terrifying job I think I ever worked. Traffic cones, barrier tape, flaggers, and me in a ditch with my head at hubcap height 2' from the wheels. People were in a hurry, pissed off at construction, distracted (pre cell days) All the warning cones etc. seemed to be targets for folks to aim at. Those orange cones, they're heavy and hurt when a car smacks one into the ditch and it hits you in the head.
Point is, its not always inattention. Theres just assholes out there too. And they sure as hell weren't just women.
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Old 03-15-2014, 05:49 PM   #26
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Stop using (and fooling with) a gps on your bike.

Another gps related accident.
Ignore this loser. He averages four posts a day and they are all senseless posts trying to rile people up. He should be banned.
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Old 03-15-2014, 08:26 PM   #27
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Great advice!

Any time I am in a parking lot, I am on my toes, I will not mess with a phone or a gps unless I was in a real parking spot with the car off.

I do not have a gps on my bike or in my car, and I have managed to get where I needed to go for the last 40 years without an accident on the street (or in a parking lot).

There have been a number of reports of accidents in face plant involving GPS.






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Ignore this loser. He averages four posts a day and they are all senseless posts trying to rile people up. He should be banned.
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:12 AM   #28
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Ignore this loser. He averages four posts a day and they are all senseless posts trying to rile people up. He should be banned.
So are you disagreeing with his suggestion that greater situational awareness might have helped the op, or did you just want to attack him personally? Honestly, the Internet and the roads are a lot alike: the anonymity leads to the same lack of civility.
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Old 03-16-2014, 08:24 PM   #29
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So are you disagreeing with his suggestion that greater situational awareness might have helped the op, or did you just want to attack him personally? Honestly, the Internet and the roads are a lot alike: the anonymity leads to the same lack of civility.
The guy was stoped at the far end of a damn parking lot!

Where should he "fool" with his GPS then?
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:00 PM   #30
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My best and oldest friend's little sister was killed in a parking lot. She had just graduated from high school the week before, Valedictorian of her class and had a full scholarship that fall at Dartmouth.

She and her BF had just sat on the bike, were getting helmets adjusted and getting ready to take off when a drunk woman hit them from behind. Somehow, the BF lived but Pam died. It was so sad, their family is like my family, and I grew up with Pam as kinda my little sister.

Just sitting on a bike in a parking lot, Idiot cagers can and will kill us.
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