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Old 08-06-2013, 09:54 AM   #1
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Motorcycling changed forever? Mission RS

I just read this article and if half of it is true, conventional motorcycles are going to fall out of favor very quickly. Again, Im no expert and this sounds too good to be true but holy shit.
Im not even that excited about this sportbike - Im excited for what will come in a few years with DIRT BIKE technology. 4 stroke thumpers will be getting smoked by lighter and more powerful electric bikes that have one moving part for an engine.

http://rideapart.com/2013/08/rideapa...14-mission-rs/










here are the bullet points;

- 160bhp and 120lb-ft of torque

- The motor itself is actually capable of 220bhp and 160lb-ft and....

- Charging time? one hour. as you can find a 220v outlet recharge time is just an hour

- Mission will buy back your current batteries when you want to upgrade and they and dial up your motor to suit

- Top speed is currently limited to 150mph (again to conserve juice) and 0-60mph should take around three seconds

- you can adjust stuff like engine braking, throttle response, TC intervention and even outright performance via your smartphone.

- It records video in image-stabilized 1080p on a 30-minute loop. Hit the record button and it saves the last 30 minutes of your ride. That way you don’t need to be prepared to capture something amazing

- It’s Internet enabled, so it can upload all that to whatever service you want to share it through, complete with comprehensive data analysis of parameters like throttle position, lean angle, acceleration etc etc etc etc. Oh, and using your own or someone’s else’s data it can superimpose a “ghost rider” on a forward view, allowing you to learn or follow lines or braking points or whatever

read the article..... it sounds astonishing.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:02 AM   #2
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An Electric bike beat a Multi-Strada up Pikes Peak.. That's the first time an electric vehicle beat an internal combustion vehicle in a head to head sanctioned motor sports event.

History.. Bikes are the perfect platform to demonstrate the superiority of electric propulsion.. it's just a matter of time in getting regenerative battery charging systems and battery technology to the point they rarely will need to be charged.. Imagine a self charging perpetual energy vehicle?

It's just a matter of when...



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Old 08-06-2013, 11:13 AM   #3
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all depends on the price of gas or not.
motorcycles are mostly toys in the US, not commuters, and even $5,6,7G gas is that not expensive to fill your tank and play on your toy.

don't doubt electrics will sell, but anyone looking to ride beyond their house range and back and NOT want to sit around for an hour to charge will say no.

motorcyclists tend NOT to be tree-huggers who want to burn zero carbons as a lifestyle choice, so it will come down to performance and ease of refill. if you can get a solid charge in the same 5 min as filling up with gas then yes many will strongly consider it. waiting an hour at a fill up? mmm. concerned about electric charging in BFE? mmm.

not saying it won't happen. it is, but look to bikes that traditionally get used only for a day's ride and back home to get sold in #s.

simple standard bikes as daily commuters? that's a home run. sport bikes? yeah i'd say many see only day use so that would work. those guys are also looking at faster is better...and electric is. racing (paved & dirt)? of course.

sport tourers and adv bikes? don't see it happening. dual-sports? don't see it happening. dirt bikes? don't see it happening. how ya gonna charge up when your camped out for days on end riding an area. you gonna risk running empty way out there even on day rides? big standard bikes? these bikes serve many roles from day use to light touring. don't see it happening.

so take over? not really. work well in certain segments? indeed.
make some in-roads in those other segments? of course. that's the march of technology.

the biggest issues? range and the need for fast charging.
get the range to 400+mi or a monster day of riding and have pay charging stations everywhere (ie campground, hotels and more) plus get charging down to 15min otherwise and people will move on it.

working well right now for city bikes & commuters? yes
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:22 AM   #4
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History.. Bikes are the perfect platform to demonstrate the superiority of electric propulsion.. it's just a matter of time in getting regenerative battery charging systems and battery technology to the point they rarely will need to be charged..
Repeat after me, there is no such thing as perpetual motion.

While you may be able to recover most of the braking energy, you can never recover losses from friction, including wind resistance, and on a MC that is most of your energy usage.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:24 AM   #5
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Imagine a self charging perpetual energy vehicle?
self-powering magnetic engines powering vehicles by them self
or powering electric engines directly or charging batteries that power electric motors.

magnetic engines are not new technology yet it has not happened except for small time builders? ever wonder why? the oil companies don't like it nor do the electric companies.

https://www.google.com/search?q=magn...ficial&tbm=vid

note how old this video is.
where is any of this these days???
i know all those electric generation plant owners can't wait for all these great new technologies to take over...you're just sucking from another tit.


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Old 08-06-2013, 11:33 AM   #6
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Repeat after me, there is no such thing as perpetual motion.

While you may be able to recover most of the braking energy, you can never recover losses from friction, including wind resistance, and on a MC that is most of your energy usage.
are you 100% sure of that statement?
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:36 AM   #7
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Range and the availability of "fuel."

These must be addressed, and successfully, before any game should be considered changed . . . . ..
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Are you really asking?

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Old 08-06-2013, 11:41 AM   #9
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Are you really asking?

W.A.
if you are talking to me then yes.

the thought of electric motorcycles winning races was unheard in the past and i'm sure most all laughed and said it could not be done.
the earth was also flat at one time.

so is a perpetual motion magnetic motor in a vehicle impossible???
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Yes, 100% sure. There is no conspiracy oil company or otherwise.

Perpetual motion does not exist.

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dirt bikes? don't see it happening. .
are you kidding?! think racing; max torque from zero rpm will make thumpers obsolete quicker than you can say engine rebuild as soon as they can get the packaging right.
Very low center of gravity, less weight and no need worrying about clutch, gears or rev limiters or shifting - let alone air cleaners. You will be able to control wheel spin and anything else associated with the bike..... in the dirt, electric bikes are going to be rocketships.

For supermoto, you'll be able to race indoors!!

Dual Sport bikes are going to be much more challenging because of all the extra weight and distances to be covered. In the more distant future you might be able to unroll a small solar panel and allow it to charge the bike for a day or something but thats way off.
As it is now, just stop for lunch and use their 220 for an hour..... that sounds feasible. Can you imagine negotiating paying a little extra on your tab for power?

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oh and I forgot to post this - this is how this mission bike sounds



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are you 100% sure of that statement?
pull off you tin foil hat.

this IS a well solved problem by the physics field: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

this IS NOT a conspiracy to keep you buying energy by the oil companies

JFC.



and a 1 hour recharge time on 220? lol. here in America, I don't have access to many 220 outlets within reach of any 220v capable cords I'm willing to carry on my bike.

that's gonna go over well on long trips/days
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pull off you tin foil hat.

this IS a well solved problem by the physics field: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

this IS NOT a conspiracy to keep you buying energy by the oil companies

JFC.



and a 1 hour recharge time on 220? lol. here in America, I don't have access to many 220 outlets within reach of any 220v capable cords I'm willing to carry on my bike.

that's gonna go over well on long trips/days
Please hush...

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and a 1 hour recharge time on 220? lol. here in America, I don't have access to many 220 outlets within reach of any 220v capable cords I'm willing to carry on my bike.

that's gonna go over well on long trips/days
in the UK it wont be an issue at all.....
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