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Old 05-03-2014, 10:20 AM   #46
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I may part ways with my SH150i. Not sure yet and I really like the scooter. However with the new PCX150 coming and the possibility of a Grom and the Hooligan 170i I think its likely it will not get much time on the road.
Not sure why you would give up a the sh150 a better and higher end scoot then the pcx150. In markets that sells both the sh150 is the higher model. You are also giving up 2-3hp too, sh150 has 15.5hp. Storage on the the sh and pcx is about the same. Sh does have 16" wheels compared to the pcx 14" wheels. In this case newer is not better. Not sure of the hooligan170 either. Don't fool yourself and have regrets. I know there is always the feeling of novelty but that wears off quick. The sh150 is a superior scoot, best in it's class. Even the newer sh150 they have in europe isn't as good as the previous one. Again newer isn't always better.
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Old 05-03-2014, 11:02 AM   #47
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Not sure why you would give up a the sh150 a better and higher end scoot then the pcx150. In markets that sells both the sh150 is the higher model. You are also giving up 2-3hp too, sh150 has 15.5hp. Storage on the the sh and pcx is about the same. Sh does have 16" wheels compared to the pcx 14" wheels. In this case newer is not better. Not sure of the hooligan170 either. Don't fool yourself and have regrets. I know there is always the feeling of novelty but that wears off quick. The sh150 is a superior scoot, best in it's class. Even the newer sh150 they have in europe isn't as good as the previous one. Again newer isn't always better.
Yeah its still being debated and you bring up valid points. It is a good scoot and despite being only 150cc's it seems to have plenty of power and even some reserve power. Seems to pull off a pretty solid 90 MPG most of the time anyway. I think lowest was like 84 MPG one time.

It was really just random thought witch I may or may not exercise. I know if I get rid of it I will probably regret it. I bought it used for a good price so its not like I would take a huge hit if I bought it new.

Despite only having 3,100 miles on it when I bought its well used. It had been knocked over on its left side. I did some temporary repairs with a black sharpie. Actually turned out pretty good. Its got a nice crack in the clear plastic cover for the speedometer. Because the previous owner road it in all weather including salted roads it has some corrosion around the engine. I have cleaned up and neutralized most of it now. Also the previous owner tried to modify the stock muffler for a louder sound. However it looks ugly and sounds like a loud beer fart from hell. Been trying to source a used take off stock muffler on ebay with little luck but I am sure one will turn up eventually.

Its not really in that bad of shape but definitely not how I like to keep them. In a way that is a good thing because its the scooter I ride in not so good weather and care a little less about.

Definitely first on the chopping block is the Agility 125 and the Super 8 150. Then the PCX125 after that. Probably only part with the SH150 if I get short on room or I want to pad the budget.
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Old 05-03-2014, 11:22 PM   #48
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I have always been an impulse buyer, and regretted it more often than not. My current collection is pretty much what I want. I was going to sell the Zuma 125 and get something else, but after giving it some thought, I decided it was a perfectly good scooter, so I am just going to modify it a bit. Parts should start showing up anytime.
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:15 AM   #49
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Looks like these have started to ship.

Hopefully I get a call at some point next week and I can have a look and take it for a spin of they allow it. They usually do!

If its larger then a Zuma and runs strong I might take it home. Little worried about the OTD price and they will likely be sticklers since its brand new and in season. I don't mind paying MSRP plus government fees and a Doc fee is pretty mandatory now but everything else just gives me a headache.

Just bought a new washer and dryer. Not only was the set $500 off MSRP but they did not have any sort of freight fee. It weighs more then the Hooligan I am sure. Why this charge was decided to be passed on to the consumer in such a scale kind of baffles me.
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Old 05-13-2014, 02:35 PM   #50
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Stopped by the local Genuine dealer this morning. They were not aware that the Hooligan actually shipped but they have taken my word that it did. For the record they just opened in the morning after being closed for 2 days so they will probably find out officially in short order. They said it will take about a week for the warehouse to get it and then another week to put it together. Then it goes on a truck loaded with several other bikes for them and other dealers. It is then 3 or 4 days of the driver making drop offs around the state. So they estimated they will probably have it in 2 weeks. With a bit of luck maybe a bit sooner.

I was like you would think a brand new product like this would be a bit more urgent but I guess not.
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Old 05-13-2014, 04:56 PM   #51
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Looks like these have started to ship.

Hopefully I get a call at some point next week and I can have a look and take it for a spin of they allow it. They usually do!

If its larger then a Zuma and runs strong I might take it home. Little worried about the OTD price and they will likely be sticklers since its brand new and in season. I don't mind paying MSRP plus government fees and a Doc fee is pretty mandatory now but everything else just gives me a headache.

Just bought a new washer and dryer. Not only was the set $500 off MSRP but they did not have any sort of freight fee. It weighs more then the Hooligan I am sure. Why this charge was decided to be passed on to the consumer in such a scale kind of baffles me.
Pure dealer greed. No further comment.
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Old 05-15-2014, 11:00 AM   #52
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http://www.scooterfile.com/scooter-r...hooligan-170i/

At first I thought this was the same article as the one posted a few pages back, but then realized it now was focused on actual riding impressions....Enjoy.
Seems mostly positive however I am still reserved on the comments about how "BIG" this scooter is. Looking at the wheels it looks about the same size as a Zuma 125 witch is a fairly "SMALL" scooter. Of coarse design of the scooter can have a big impact. For example my Elite 110 is a small scooter but for all purposes it feels like a big scooter.

I am also concerned about overall fit and finish. I seem some minor details that don't look real good in the pictures. However its likely the one used in this review is a pre production sample.

Again I just need to see it in the flesh and if I like what I see I may add it to the stable.

That is if my Genuine dealer in the area ever actually gets it. If I owned a dealer and had customers waiting I would have the first batch drop shipped direct at the dealer. Instead they use a warehouse 50 miles south of here. They arrive there and then when they get around to it they put it together. Then it gets loaded on a flat bed truck for delivery around the state and this alone can add 3 or 4 days. Basically this additional process adds about 2 weeks to the process.

One dealer in the area I do a lot of business with does it both ways. For your normal every day stuff they use the same warehouse. However for brand new and hot sellers they get direct from the manufacture. This way they have them on the sales floor before anyone else in most cases.
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Old 05-17-2014, 12:45 AM   #53
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The mystery seems to deepen.

I got this piece of info on the modern buddy website earlier in the week.

AF1 Racing down in Texas was getting a direct shipment and thought they would have them as soon as Monday. Pictures were coming as soon as they get them in. Its been 4 days later and nothing new.

Que Twilight Zone music..LOL
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Old 05-17-2014, 05:34 PM   #54
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Look what I saw today in Laguna Beach California today. I did not ask questions or ask for a ride because we were a hurry.


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Old 05-17-2014, 06:52 PM   #55
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Wow, they've added $400 to the price, and that still does not include tax, title, and registration. Here sales sales tax, title and registration would bring it to about $4200 OTD. The local Genuine dealer does not do that, though they might on a brand new model if demand is expected to be high. A Buddy 125 goes OTD for about $100 over MSRP, that is not nearly enough to cover tax, title, and registration, so they are being sold well under MSRP.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:36 PM   #56
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Wow, they've added $400 to the price, and that still does not include tax, title, and registration. Here sales sales tax, title and registration would bring it to about $4200 OTD. The local Genuine dealer does not do that, though they might on a brand new model if demand is expected to be high. A Buddy 125 goes OTD for about $100 over MSRP, that is not nearly enough to cover tax, title, and registration, so they are being sold well under MSRP.
Remember. That is the asking price. Most dealers will negotiate. Sales tax here in Alabama is 3.08% on vehicles. I'd expect to pay around $3400-3600 OTD here.
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Old 05-17-2014, 07:50 PM   #57
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I would have to say that standing next to it, it seems pretty small. It is a bit smaller than the HD200 in the background. I believe the name of the place was Beach City Scooters.
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Old 05-17-2014, 09:21 PM   #58
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I would have to say that standing next to it, it seems pretty small. It is a bit smaller than the HD200 in the background. I believe the name of the place was Beach City Scooters.
I agree. I saw one yesterday and sat on it. It is no bigger than most other 150cc scoots. It was next to a Lance Cabo and they are the same size. Looks good, fit and finish is nice but the price is a bit steep IMO but I haven't ridden one yet.

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Old 05-17-2014, 10:57 PM   #59
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damn that is pricey, cost as much as a PCX150...it needs to be in the $3k range
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Old 05-17-2014, 11:31 PM   #60
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Look what I saw today in Laguna Beach California today. I did not ask questions or ask for a ride because we were a hurry.


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Thank you for the pictures. So far my dealer has not received them or they failed to call me. They seem kind of desperate so I doubt they got them in yet and would not miss an opportunity. I will mention to them that using the 3rd party warehouse adds expense to them and the consumer and delays the shipment unnecessarily.

From what I can see in the pictures fit and finish does look a little better. Still seems a bit down compared to what is coming out of Japan. Also getting very nervous this scooter is on the smaller side of the equation and I would say its safe to assume it is with the latest forum comments.

Its still not out of the picture but I am starting to feel a bit disappointed so far. I also seem to have issues with the price. Even though its priced similarly to the PCX and the Zuma 125 and has a bigger motor I just feel its not worth it. The dealer fees kill it even more so. In part because Genuine is not as big as the big 4 and no matter what dealer support is not as wide spread. I know Genuine is doing a pretty good job and the scoots are good but they just don't have the network at least in my area. My local Genuine dealer is not that far away from blowing in the wind and the next nearest dealer is in downtown Seattle with an even more flaky reputation. Hard to justify the extra cash they want.

When I look at I am also thinking 3K tops plus tax and license and the doc fee everybody hits you with in the area. Anything north of 4K out the door is just way to much.

I have a sneaking suspicion these will end up sitting on dealer sales floors for a long time and eventually will be discounted well below original price. My local Genuine dealer seems to have several versions and models of the Buddy's and most if not all are fairly heavily discounted. No reason to think these will be the same. Might still be a worthy contender if I delay my purchase until Winter when it does not meet sales expectations. Then again maybe it will be a hit and they will be hard to get like a Grom but I doubt it.

Speaking of Grom that is looking like a disappointment as well. Told the Honda dealer my maximum price OTD was $3,987. That is simply MSRP plus Honda documented freight and licensing plus the $150 doc fee. I got a chuckle saying they are selling used on Craigslist for $4,200 to $5,000. I said I will refuse to pay any premium for its rarity. So I have a feeling that one will fade into oblivion.
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