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Old 04-27-2014, 06:53 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Rgconner View Post
Clearly the solution is to ban cars.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:05 AM   #17
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Gas prices increase in summer. More motorcyclists are on the road in summer (exponentially more compared to winter). More motorcyclists on the road = more motorcyclist deaths.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:31 AM   #18
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I don't see a lot to argue with about the article, it's just a bunch of stats.

There are a lot of ways to interpret the numbers, but I'm sure most of the data overlaps.

I found this " In 1975, 47 states required all motorcyclists to wear helmets, but that number has dropped to 19 now." surprising. Seatbelts have been forced on us, but helmets have become optional in over half the states.

There are many factors that weren't mentioned. "Speeding" is such a general term, but we all speed. 50mph in a neighborhood is much different than 90mph on an interstate. The drastic increase of the deer population wasn't mentioned, but the accidents they cause were real, counted, and factored into the data. Types & size of bikes and the skill level of the riders weren't mentioned.

We all know riding motorcycles is risky.
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Old 04-27-2014, 07:50 AM   #19
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Most motorcycle deaths because of riders

It is certainly tempting to blame distracted cagers, but the numbers don't lie. We are our own worst enemy on the bike.

Motorcyclist Deaths Decreased in 2013

The Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT) reports that the number of motorcyclist deaths in Oregon decreased by 35 percent in 2013. Preliminary data show only 33 rider fatalities in 2013, a significant drop from 51 deaths in 2012. But while the decrease in fatalities is encouraging news, even one motorcyclist death is still too many.
Oregon is similar to the rest of the nation in that half of its motorcyclist fatalities are single-vehicle events – crashes involving only the motorcycle. The preliminary news from ODOT confirms this: In 2013, 52 percent of fatal motorcycle crashes in Oregon were single-vehicle events. An additional 24 percent were multiple-vehicle crashes in which the motorcyclist committed the primary error.
In other words, 76 percent of fatal motorcycle crashes in Oregon last year were caused by riders themselves. While this may surprise some riders, these statistics are nothing new – this trend has been consistent in Oregon for the past 20 years.
What’s worse, most motorcycle riders believe that other drivers cause most motorcycle crashes. In a 2012 ODOT survey, 47 percent of motorcycle owners chose “Inattention/Distraction – Other Driver” as the greatest risk to motorcycle riders’ safety. Another 20 percent chose “Failure to Yield Right of Way – Other Driver.” As you can see from the chart above, the opposite is true.
While it is important for car drivers to watch carefully for motorcyclists, the biggest safety improvements in the future will come from riders themselves. Training, awareness and skilled decision making are what Oregon motorcyclists will need to survive.
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Old 04-27-2014, 08:39 AM   #20
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Old 04-27-2014, 11:53 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by kojack06 View Post
Article didn't discuss increased aggressive and distracted driving by car drivers.
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Old 04-27-2014, 12:08 PM   #22
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How much of the decrease in auto fatalities can be attributed to the vehicle operator having switched to a motorcycle instead?
Or, one could ask how much of the increase in Motorcycle related deaths occurred from people switching from a cage to a motorcycle and going out and killing themselves? PA also has no helmet laws.
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Old 04-27-2014, 12:35 PM   #23
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I can see where there could be some correlation. When gas prices rise, noobs buy bikes, posers start riding for daily transportation and some who haven't ridden for a couple of years fire the old bike up. Noobs and people out of practice start riding in heavy traffic and they don't have the skills to make survival decisions. A dangerous combination.

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Old 04-27-2014, 07:49 PM   #24
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if you have 100 motorcycles on the road and 5 crash that's 5% if you have 200 bikes on the road and 10 crashes that's also 5% but its 100% rise in crashes...yikes sell them bikes fast folks the statistician is gonna get ya

By this lodgic if you keep gas prices low, you get less crashes, this is erroneous data unless you have a correlation to the total number of bikes on the road - in that case the crash rate although grater in numbers could be a smaller percentage - but probably wont be
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Old 04-28-2014, 11:09 AM   #25
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Do these statistics include those 50cc scooters not even tagged and licensed in some states? People buy them for the promise of 100+MPG. The small underpowered scooters are inherently dangerous, never mind the untrained and unprotected riders.

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Old 04-28-2014, 12:00 PM   #26
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Gas prices go up,.....motorcycle riding goes up,......crashes go up. And I sure wish the media would quit calling them "accidents" when in reality they are "crashes".

So. We need a bunch of researchers and the media to tell us this? Good thing all the brain power and expertise is out there to clear up the obvious for us. What WOULD have been more usefull to find out, is when gas prices go up and cycle riding goes up, how many of those increased number of riders have done things like:
1. Take a riding or training course,
2. How many of those riders actually RODE their cycle more than 1000 miles in the past two years,
3. How many of those riders are NEW riders, recently licensed or recently returning to riding to "save on fuel costs."
4. How many of these crash statistics are smaller bikes, or scooters, or how many are big/heavy bikes ridden by "once in a while riders".

Those kinds of stats may be more useful and meaningful. Then we get this kind of blather from a supposed safety "expert":
"With motorcycles, there's not much you can do to improve safety. They're just out there, hanging on their own," said safety researcher James Hedlund, who studies motorcycle accidents for the Governors Highway Safety Association, which represents the highway safety offices of the states. The best thing you can do is wear a helmet, and helmet use has gone down over the past 30 years," Hedlund said.

THIS FROM A SAFETY EXPERT!!?? Bullshit! Helmets help to save brains and reduce fatal injuries. But TRAINING and rider skills to AVOID crashes do far more than just helmets alone. This simply goes right along with the gov illusion that helmets solve the issue. Also, he claims "there is not much you can do to improve safety."

The HELL you can't! Safety starts and ends with the rider's attitude about how his/her safety and risk reduction is applied, and THAT is where real safety/risk reduction can be addressed. But he makes these useless statements in the public media and all non-riding, and a large portion of the riding public just take it.
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