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Old 05-25-2014, 05:42 AM   #1
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Should I buy a scooter?

I currently have a buell ulysses that gets around 45 mpg on premium gas. I've been thinking hard about purchasing a 2015 Honda PCX with the intention of saving gas. I intend to keep the Buell but use the pcx for my daily commute.

It would also be a good way to get my wife into riding too on the weekends. I rode a pcx 150 and it was a pleasant ride, I really liked the scooter.

I dont know if its worth spending 4k otd though.

What do you think?
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Old 05-25-2014, 05:49 AM   #2
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Don't buy it to save gas, buy it to have fun and get your wife riding.
It would take a lot of miles to cover $4000 price plus insurance, tags, tires, etc.
I use all my cycles less since I got the scooter.
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Old 05-25-2014, 06:03 AM   #3
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I currently have a buell ulysses that gets around 45 mpg on premium gas. I've been thinking hard about purchasing a 2015 Honda PCX with the intention of saving gas. I intend to keep the Buell but use the pcx for my daily commute.

It would also be a good way to get my wife into riding too on the weekends. I rode a pcx 150 and it was a pleasant ride, I really liked the scooter.

I dont know if its worth spending 4k otd though.

What do you think?
How will you save over $4000 worth of gas when scooters get about 65 mpg. Just put a milk crate on your Buell.
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Old 05-25-2014, 06:06 AM   #4
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Small scooters are a blast. There are a lot of us here who are long time motorcycle riders who decided to buy a scooter. Almost all of us have ended up riding our scooters more than our motorcycles. I have 2 scooters and 2 motorcycles. I ride the scooters far more than the motorcycles.

I wouldn't worry about the $4000 for the PCX. I'd be more concerned about the $8,000 you will end up spending to buy 2 of them
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Old 05-25-2014, 06:23 AM   #5
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How will you save over $4000 worth of gas when scooters get about 65 mpg. Just put a milk crate on your Buell.
PCX is a 100mpg scoot.
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Old 05-25-2014, 07:01 AM   #6
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Small scooters are a blast. There are a lot of us here who are long time motorcycle riders who decided to buy a scooter. Almost all of us have ended up riding our scooters more than our motorcycles.
This ^

Especially my PCX - LOVE IT!!


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I wouldn't worry about the $4000 for the PCX. I'd be more concerned about the $8,000 you will end up spending to buy 2 of them
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Old 05-25-2014, 07:11 AM   #7
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Old 05-25-2014, 08:23 AM   #8
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I like it. Direct and to the point !

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Old 05-25-2014, 08:53 AM   #9
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There are plenty of us here who have been where you are... a scooter? Really?

Never had a Buell, but I did own 9 Harleys over the years. And a bunch of other bikes. While the PCX is amazing regarding the miles per gallon, it is most impressive for smiles per gallon. It is just fun. Easy.

My wife has been riding almost as long as I have, and she is the one who suggested these scooters. I scoffed... really, an actual scoff. I had it in my head that scooters were somehow "less" than motorcycles. There is a term for this: dumb ass.

I thought I would miss shifting. Dumb ass.

I thought 150cc would be too small to be practical. Dumb ass.

I thought some might look down on a scooter. Well, that would make them the dumb ass, but I have been surprised at how many people make nice comments and ask questions about the PCXes (rare with my motorcycles).

If you want one and it is in the family budget - by all means, BUY ONE! You obviously enjoy two wheels, you won't regret the PCX. My only regret was the fact that I was a dumb ass and didn't get right with the program when my wife first suggested it.

I am having more fun on two wheels than I have had in a long time. My wife feels the same.

We have talked about swapping off one of the PCXes to get a bigger scoot for times when two-up on one bike would be more practical (i.e. strapped on the back of the RV, taking on the ferry)... neither of us is willing to give up our scoot, and neither of us wants to be the passenger.

As long as you can live with 55 - 60 mph as a practical top speed (it will do 65, but it takes a while to get there, and there is nothing in reserve), the PCX is a very impressive little bike. Easy and peppy in traffic. Comfortable. Practical (I can fit a couple small bags of groceries under the seat).

But, buy it because of the fun - hard to put a value on that. Enroll your wife in an MSF course and take it with her.

Don't be a dumb ass.

Best wishes,
Captain Jim

(It's a scooter forum - what'd you expect? Ask this same question on one of the bike forums, and you'll probably get a bunch of dumb ass replies. )
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Old 05-25-2014, 09:17 AM   #10
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To me the easiest way to appreciate and justify a scooter is the idea of using the right tool for the job.

I'm not that into the idea of touring coast to coast on a scooter, but I'm also not going to take the time to get on my BMW to run to the grocery store. I love my Vespa to just grab my helmet and go.

Truth is, 60 mph on 10" wheels is a hoot, and I don't have to ride to the mountains to have a great time riding. You're in Colorado Springs- one of the prettiest areas I've ever been to- Hit those country roads on a scooter and you'll never look back.
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Old 05-25-2014, 09:19 AM   #11
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As was already said, don't buy a scooter thinking you are going to save gas or money. Even if it does get 100 mpg (and I do have to wonder about that, my Zuma 125 gets about 70 mpg) it will not last long enough to pay for itself in gas savings if you use it all the time instead of something else. A scooter is for fun, and they are a lot of fun compared to a big heavy motorcycle that you have to muscle around. No shifting, just get on and enjoy the ride. For some $4000 is too much to pay for what basically amounts to a toy. They will point to the fact that you can get a nice used motorcycle or a car for that much. If you are one of those, scooters are probably not for you. But most who ride them very long get totally hooked, including myself.
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Old 05-25-2014, 09:21 AM   #12
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What kind of commute do you have? Distance, terrain, type of roads, etc..

How much stuff do you carry with you on your daily commute?

Care if lane splitting is legal or not?

Honda PCX is a lot of $$ to spend on a scoot.

I bought a $1600 Chinese 250cc Honda clone back in 2008, daily commute 20+ mi. on country back roads that traffic flow about 40-50 mph, it gets well above 75 mpg.
Now at 12k mi. on the scooter, it's never given me any problem other than blown fuses and flat tire.
Even the OEM Chinese battery from 2008 still holds charge and start the scoot every time.
Oil change takes about 15 min., valve adjustments requires only a single tool, takes less than 10 min. performed while engine is running on its center stand.
It's been the most reliable and easily maintained vehicle I've owned until I bought a Chinese made Honda Passport clone last year.
I don't know if my experience with Chinese scooters is unusual, but knowing to operate vehicle within their limits is just common sense for their longevity.
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Old 05-25-2014, 09:51 AM   #13
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I can't recommend a Chinese scooter, but you can get a lot better deal by buying a used late model Japanese scooter.
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Old 05-25-2014, 10:48 AM   #14
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As was already said, don't buy a scooter thinking you are going to save gas or money. Even if it does get 100 mpg (and I do have to wonder about that, my Zuma 125 gets about 70 mpg) it will not last long enough to pay for itself in gas savings if you use it all the time instead of something else. A scooter is for fun, and they are a lot of fun compared to a big heavy motorcycle that you have to muscle around. No shifting, just get on and enjoy the ride. For some $4000 is too much to pay for what basically amounts to a toy. They will point to the fact that you can get a nice used motorcycle or a car for that much. If you are one of those, scooters are probably not for you. But most who ride them very long get totally hooked, including myself.
BS, one of our local riders kept a log to see how soon he would pay off the purchase of his Ruckus by riding it instead of driving his truck. He estimated it would take almost 3 years. He paid for the total cost of the Ruckus, insurance and gear in less than 19 months purely on the difference between mpg with his truck vs the Ruckus.

Okay, a PCX costs twice what a Ruckus does but it is far more useful for commuting than a Ruckus. Our Buddy has paid for itself multiple times over in the last seven years including maintenance. You Zuma uses a lot older engine technology than the PCX so I have no problem believing that the PCX will get better gas mileage. Heck, my Vespa GTS 250 averages 72 mpg. Our Buddy 125 gets between 90 & 105 mpg depending on who/how it is being ridden. Our Buddy has been a daily rider/commuter for my son all through high school and into college. Teenage boys aren't known for taking great care of things either.

The gentleman asking about the PCX commutes on a motorcycle and is looking for a more convient alternative PTW. I don't know about Colorado Springs but I do know that Denver is extremely scooter friendly.
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I don't know if my experience with Chinese scooters is unusual, but knowing to operate vehicle within their limits is just common sense for their longevity.
Your experience with Chinese scoots is highly unusual. Based on reports I've seen by owners and the very few shows in our area that will even touch a Chinese scoot I'd say your experience is remarkably good.

Hondas are extremely reliable and are a brand I could recommend wholeheartedly. Personally I don't care for the styling of the PCX but I see its attraction. I'll stick with my traditional styled Vespa, Piaggio, Genuine and Aprilia scooters. Kycmo and SYM are two lower cost Asian scooters that are quality if someone wants a lower price point.

What I do not understand is why when someone asks about a specific model scooter why people feel the need to chime in that it is "too much money". I'd rather pay more upfront for something that has a good mechanical reputation and dealer support nationwide. Whether to purchase new or used is a very personal choice based on factors other than cost in most cases. I bought both ways and frankly unless I know the history of the scooter/motorcycle/car I prefer to buy new after electrical issues caused by "mods" the previous owner did hidden behind farings.

For urban commuting a scoot makes perfect sense. Go for it.

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Old 05-25-2014, 11:23 AM   #15
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Scootrboi, the new pcx 150 is supposed to get 100-110mpg, it would half my gas bill. While 4k would cover around 50000 miles on the buell. However that is a lot of miles.

I don't have an issue jumping down 1050cc, as I probably had more fun with my previous dr200 that I do with a big adventure bike. It is definitely affordable, I just don't like spending money.

Ideally if my wife faced her fears of clutch shifting we could get two small dual sports but to have my best friend ride with me is priceless.

Captain Jim, I was planning on sending my wife to msf brc, is she able to take the scooter instead of using there bikes?

Dabears you are right, I'm very lucky to be where I am, it's really nice riding here when its not super cold. I have a 20 mile commute, mostly interstate at a 65 limit, however I can take an alternative route through Colorado Springs, topping out at 55.
Chinese scooters are not an option.
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