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Old 06-07-2014, 09:42 PM   #76
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Exactly! Drive only not gears.
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Old 06-07-2014, 09:45 PM   #77
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Outlier or not, my China scoot came w/a Gates Kevlar belt, I insect it twice a year and never worry about it.
I'm not worrying either but as a rule of thumb for someone new to CVT seeking information he should not expect a CVT belt to perform like the Buell belt he is used to nor like an outlier with a remarkable number of miles on it, over many years.
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Old 06-08-2014, 04:02 AM   #78
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I'm not worrying either but as a rule of thumb for someone new to CVT seeking information he should not expect a CVT belt to perform like the Buell belt he is used to nor like an outlier with a remarkable number of miles on it, over many years.
and why not?
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Old 06-08-2014, 11:05 AM   #79
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If you do decide to look at Chinese scoots, you might consider Taiwanese scoots which are usually cheaper than Japanese scoots, but more than the Chinese scoots. From what I've experienced and read, the Taiwanese scoots are just as reliable as the Japanese scoots. This is not true of the Chinese scoots. Look at a Kymco or a SYM.
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Old 06-08-2014, 11:25 AM   #80
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IMO, the whole point of having a scooter is to have it as cheap as possible and make it last as long as you can. Riding a cheap scooter out of its limitation is sure to shorten its life... otherwie, i'll just ride motorcycle that allow me to shift and travel much faster.

Those who operate a 150cc scooter at 50 mph or frequently at full speed are simply riding at its limits; why would anyone expect any machine to operate at its limit for extended amount of time without fail?
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Old 06-09-2014, 12:31 PM   #81
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...you might consider Taiwanese scoot...
IMO, in general there is a huge difference in build quality between things produced in Taiwan & mainland China...
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Old 06-11-2014, 09:29 AM   #82
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IMO, the whole point of having a scooter is to have it as cheap as possible and make it last as long as you can. Riding a cheap scooter out of its limitation is sure to shorten its life... otherwie, i'll just ride motorcycle that allow me to shift and travel much faster.

Those who operate a 150cc scooter at 50 mph or frequently at full speed are simply riding at its limits; why would anyone expect any machine to operate at its limit for extended amount of time without fail?
That is one way to go. I've put most of the17,000 miles on my wife's ET4 150 at wide open throttle, 60+ mph. It is a lot more fun than riding 60+ on my motorcycle. So far so good but belts wear a lot faster as does the variator pulley. The Vespa isn't cheap and the ET4 air cooled and carbureted as proven a lot tougher than my GTS. Newer 250s have a much better track revord so i attribute that expensive mistake to the lemon law of bad luck.
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Old 06-11-2014, 09:49 AM   #83
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OP, have you bought a scooter yet?
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Old 06-12-2014, 06:32 AM   #84
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I'm curious if he has as well. I have been looking around for a 2015 Honda PCX and haven't heard of one hitting the showroom yet. Dealerships are saying end of June/July. Anyone heard any different?
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Old 06-12-2014, 06:37 AM   #85
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I thought he said he was going to purchase when he got back from Afghanistan. Could be remembering a different thread though. If this is the right thread, no idea how imminent his return is. Hopefully he stays safe though.
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Thanks elamofo. Yes I am currently in Afghanistan cursing about how terrible my internet is. I'm set on the 2015 pcx when I get back. I've not heard of the new pcx arriving at dealers yet, though i'm frequently checking on here to see if anyone has one.
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Old 06-12-2014, 11:13 AM   #87
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IMO, the whole point of having a scooter is to have it as cheap as possible and make it last as long as you can. Riding a cheap scooter out of its limitation is sure to shorten its life... otherwie, i'll just ride motorcycle that allow me to shift and travel much faster.

Those who operate a 150cc scooter at 50 mph or frequently at full speed are simply riding at its limits; why would anyone expect any machine to operate at its limit for extended amount of time without fail?
Some people ride scooters because they are fun, not to be as cheap as possible. When I replace my Super 8 I will consider paying a premium price for a small scooter if it has the features I want.

BTW, I normally run my S-8 150 at 50MPH and often at full speed. 16,400 miles and the motor still runs as good as new. Nothing has failed on me yet.
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Old 06-12-2014, 01:22 PM   #88
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:36 AM   #89
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I currently have a buell ulysses that gets around 45 mpg on premium gas. I've been thinking hard about purchasing a 2015 Honda PCX with the intention of saving gas. I intend to keep the Buell but use the pcx for my daily commute.

It would also be a good way to get my wife into riding too on the weekends. I rode a pcx 150 and it was a pleasant ride, I really liked the scooter.

I dont know if its worth spending 4k otd though.

What do you think?
I'm in a same situation as you!!! I've a VFR750 Interceptor thats returning almost the same mpg as your Buell! What a coincidence...! Anyhow, after much MUCH thinking, I've ruled out the scooters. Why? I just doesn't feel comfortable with a CVT. There're times when you need a sudden burst of acceleration and CVT scooters simply can't do that. Secondly, the few small scooters I've rode (a 50cc and a 125cc) have that 'LAG' when you roll the throttle from a stand still... They tend to rev up to certain rpms before moving. Big scooters might provide the oomph and won't have the lag due to more torque, but I'm talking about small sub 150cc scooters. Storage space, high mpg, wind/weather protection are of course tempting features of a scooter but I'm the type of guy who begs for some fun too along with practicality... So I'm steering away from scooters unless I find something with a manual shifter... Now, I'm looking forward at a Super Motard!!! Yes, they're uncomfortable, no storage, zero wind protection and poor mpg along with small fuel tank but boy are they FUN...! They're WICKED FUN! Besides, I've a VFR on stand by just in case of a long trip! Yamaha WR125X is on my list. You should consider one too if thats available across the pond... If not, maybe a Suzuki DRZ400SM??? Just a thought. Anyhow, Good Luck.
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Old 06-16-2014, 06:30 PM   #90
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I'm in a same situation as you!!! I've a VFR750 Interceptor thats returning almost the same mpg as your Buell! What a coincidence...! Anyhow, after much MUCH thinking, I've ruled out the scooters. Why? I just doesn't feel comfortable with a CVT. There're times when you need a sudden burst of acceleration and CVT scooters simply can't do that. Secondly, the few small scooters I've rode (a 50cc and a 125cc) have that 'LAG' when you roll the throttle from a stand still... They tend to rev up to certain rpms before moving. .
Hmm, ET 2 50cc is one of the torquiest little scooters I've ever ridden. Damned thing really wanted to pop a wheelie every time I took off if I wasn't careful.

Many good quality small scoots do take off quickly and often if they don't simply changing the rollers will resolve any "lag". Our 125cc Buddy has no lag either and I've had fun with guys riding Harleys and Hondas at stop lights with my GTS. But if fast sports bikes are you thing then anything else will seem slow assuming you are good with the clutch/throttle on your sport bike.
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