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Old 06-07-2014, 11:15 AM   #76
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A Chinese scooter with 25,000 kilometers on it is an outlier. A belt with the same 18,000 miles is decidedly an outlier beyond an outlier. However when a belt breaks you tend to simply lose power and drift. Unlucky riders jam their rear wheel and leave skid marks on the road and in their underwear. I ignored the warning signs ( uneven acceleration from stationary, hesitation combined with high miles) and when it broke I wasn't surprised. I do however tend to ride open roads mostly over 50 mph and frequently at full speed, ie over 60 on a 150cc. Because belts provide the gearing, driving style will impact wear.
Belts on Harleys (and by default Buells) are rated for 100,000 miles.
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Old 06-07-2014, 11:57 AM   #77
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Outlier or not, my China scoot came w/a Gates Kevlar belt, I insect it twice a year and never worry about it.
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Old 06-07-2014, 03:04 PM   #78
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...Belts on Harleys (and by default Buells)...
...have teeth & are not CVT belts...

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Old 06-07-2014, 08:42 PM   #79
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Exactly! Drive only not gears.
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Old 06-07-2014, 08:45 PM   #80
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Outlier or not, my China scoot came w/a Gates Kevlar belt, I insect it twice a year and never worry about it.
I'm not worrying either but as a rule of thumb for someone new to CVT seeking information he should not expect a CVT belt to perform like the Buell belt he is used to nor like an outlier with a remarkable number of miles on it, over many years.
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Old 06-08-2014, 03:02 AM   #81
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I'm not worrying either but as a rule of thumb for someone new to CVT seeking information he should not expect a CVT belt to perform like the Buell belt he is used to nor like an outlier with a remarkable number of miles on it, over many years.
and why not?
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Old 06-08-2014, 10:05 AM   #82
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If you do decide to look at Chinese scoots, you might consider Taiwanese scoots which are usually cheaper than Japanese scoots, but more than the Chinese scoots. From what I've experienced and read, the Taiwanese scoots are just as reliable as the Japanese scoots. This is not true of the Chinese scoots. Look at a Kymco or a SYM.
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Old 06-08-2014, 10:25 AM   #83
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IMO, the whole point of having a scooter is to have it as cheap as possible and make it last as long as you can. Riding a cheap scooter out of its limitation is sure to shorten its life... otherwie, i'll just ride motorcycle that allow me to shift and travel much faster.

Those who operate a 150cc scooter at 50 mph or frequently at full speed are simply riding at its limits; why would anyone expect any machine to operate at its limit for extended amount of time without fail?
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Old 06-09-2014, 11:31 AM   #84
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...you might consider Taiwanese scoot...
IMO, in general there is a huge difference in build quality between things produced in Taiwan & mainland China...
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Old 06-11-2014, 08:29 AM   #85
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IMO, the whole point of having a scooter is to have it as cheap as possible and make it last as long as you can. Riding a cheap scooter out of its limitation is sure to shorten its life... otherwie, i'll just ride motorcycle that allow me to shift and travel much faster.

Those who operate a 150cc scooter at 50 mph or frequently at full speed are simply riding at its limits; why would anyone expect any machine to operate at its limit for extended amount of time without fail?
That is one way to go. I've put most of the17,000 miles on my wife's ET4 150 at wide open throttle, 60+ mph. It is a lot more fun than riding 60+ on my motorcycle. So far so good but belts wear a lot faster as does the variator pulley. The Vespa isn't cheap and the ET4 air cooled and carbureted as proven a lot tougher than my GTS. Newer 250s have a much better track revord so i attribute that expensive mistake to the lemon law of bad luck.
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Old 06-11-2014, 08:49 AM   #86
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OP, have you bought a scooter yet?
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Old 06-12-2014, 05:32 AM   #87
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I'm curious if he has as well. I have been looking around for a 2015 Honda PCX and haven't heard of one hitting the showroom yet. Dealerships are saying end of June/July. Anyone heard any different?
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Old 06-12-2014, 05:37 AM   #88
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I thought he said he was going to purchase when he got back from Afghanistan. Could be remembering a different thread though. If this is the right thread, no idea how imminent his return is. Hopefully he stays safe though.
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Thanks elamofo. Yes I am currently in Afghanistan cursing about how terrible my internet is. I'm set on the 2015 pcx when I get back. I've not heard of the new pcx arriving at dealers yet, though i'm frequently checking on here to see if anyone has one.
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IMO, the whole point of having a scooter is to have it as cheap as possible and make it last as long as you can. Riding a cheap scooter out of its limitation is sure to shorten its life... otherwie, i'll just ride motorcycle that allow me to shift and travel much faster.

Those who operate a 150cc scooter at 50 mph or frequently at full speed are simply riding at its limits; why would anyone expect any machine to operate at its limit for extended amount of time without fail?
Some people ride scooters because they are fun, not to be as cheap as possible. When I replace my Super 8 I will consider paying a premium price for a small scooter if it has the features I want.

BTW, I normally run my S-8 150 at 50MPH and often at full speed. 16,400 miles and the motor still runs as good as new. Nothing has failed on me yet.
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