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Old 02-27-2015, 04:52 PM   #1
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What to buy on a CA$4748 budget (PCX, etc.)

I thought I'd come here to ask since it seems to be one smorgasbord of two wheeling knowledge here. I currently ride a 2004 Yamaha BWS but it's totally not suitable for my 68km a day commute which I've done almost every single day since I got it on October 31st, save for a couple days there was snow on the ground or I stayed home.

I am currently taking lessons to get a motorcycle license and fingers crossed that I pass my skills assessment this weekend so I can ride a bigger bike by myself above 60km/h.

I have a $4748 Canadian budget, set because that's exactly how much it'll cost me to buy a brand new 2015 Honda PCX assuming I can trade in my BWS for $750 without negotiating. The PCX is my favourite scooter, it's super comfy to sit in, has great features, looks great, I love it.

What do I need it for?
  • 14,400km of commuting a year, half of it on city streets and half of it on freeways with an average rush hour speeds of 50 to 80km/h. If I get caught working late, the right lane tends to travel at no more than 90km/h.
  • 1,000km a year of running miscellaneous errands in my neighbourhood or city, like groceries, picking up pizza, etc. If I can find an excuse
  • 1,500km a year of just going for a ride especially out of town on secondary roads.

I'm also considering:
  • Suzuki GW250, about a couple hundred less, to a full $800 less if I could take advantage of a demo 2014 with 1,500km and full five year warranty on it. Would be unsuitable for running errands, but it would effectively be suitable for 90%+ of my annual kms, and I do have two cars and a bicycle at home anyway. I love this bike, it's like a baby Vstrom.
  • 2005-2010 Majesty or Burgman 400. Any thoughts on these two and how reliable it'll be for me for the next five years?
  • In particular, I'm looking at an 05 Majesty with 52,000km on it, to trade with a guy who wants my BWS plus some cash on top maybe $1,000. kms are a little higher than I wanted but I can use the money I save to put into immediate repairs and maintenance if required and have money to put in a slush fund for whatever repairs it might need.
  • 2013 PCX 150. I'm not a fan of the design (love the 2015 improvements ) plus the tank is 2L smaller so I'd have to fill up every two days instead of three days. But other than that, I can save $900 new or $1300-$2000 used.

Can't consider:
  • Although the SMax checks some of the boxes like slightly better power and top speed, flat floor, windshield, the riding position is similar to my BWS which is really not great at all and it's a couple hundred above my strict budget anyway. The Yamaha dealer is also a SYM dealer and the HD200 costs the same as the SMax, and it seems so dated in comparison anyway.
  • Burgman 200 ABS, Forza -- I really like both of these, but both are above my budget. A demo Burgman 200 ABS got away.

I still have to test ride all of them as soon I get the proper riding endorsement. Any thoughts or other suggestions?

Thanks!
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Old 02-27-2015, 06:16 PM   #2
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The only one I can comment on (since I owned one for 2 years) is the Yamaha Majesty. I'd call it a good but not great scooter - reason for that is the quite small foot board space (I have 11.5 feet!) - lousy stock windshield offers very little protection - and the motor is rather rough at low speeds under acceleration. Probably from being a single cylinder. It is well made - on par with Honda and Suzuki IMO. Fuel mileage was around 55mpg. I never kept track all that well so actual mileage could vary. Check fuelly.com for real world user's mileage.

IMO you can find more scooter for your money by buying used. As soon as a 'new' scooter hits the road it becomes 'used' and price drops 20% or more as fast as you can snap your fingers.

If you look around I'm sure you can find low mileage scooters in the 300-400cc range for under $3000. I sold my 2007 Majesty with 4500 miles on the clock for $2200. It cost me an oil change and $100 to own it for 2 years. Not bad. Reliability will be as good as any scooter made IMO. I justed like my 650 Burgman more so I sold the Yamaha.
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Old 02-27-2015, 06:31 PM   #3
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Is there any reason why you can't come down to Washington state (Oak Harbor) to buy a scooter? I know rides and cars get swapped back and forth over the border all the time.

http://skagit.craigslist.org/mcy/4905003596.html

http://skagit.craigslist.org/mcy/4853669144.html

http://bellingham.craigslist.org/mcy/4880524237.html

http://bellingham.craigslist.org/mcd/4857075098.html

http://bellingham.craigslist.org/mcd/4850437615.html

This is a search based from Arlington - 98223 zip:

http://www.searchtempest.com/search?...min&maxAsk=max

Lots of scooters.
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Old 02-27-2015, 08:19 PM   #4
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Get the new PCX go in and bargain...if you can get OTD for MSRP you are doing really good. Remember that it is a scooter and they don't sell well so you have lots of bargaining power.
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Old 02-27-2015, 09:23 PM   #5
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Thanks knucklehead90. There's an 04 Burgman 400 here with 16,500km asking $3100CA ($2478 US), so with the weak Canadian dollar it's kinda made buying in the US less tempting. And my passport expired anyway. That 05 Majesty with 52,000km is asking $1800CA or $1400US.

I agree that buying new is never a good value proposition, but I'm looking at something I can own reliably for at least 5 years and put conservatively 80,000km on it in that time without it leaving me stranded. I put 6,000km on my BWS in the last five months. The PCX150 is one cool little scooter too. I'd trust a higher mileage Yamaha, Suzuki, and Honda either way to do just that. I haven't sat in a Majesty yet, but I know the Burgmans are quite comfortable when i sat in the 200, 400, and 650. The 401-700cc class bikes are 40% more expensive to insure here than the 110-400cc class.

If I'm ok with having merely a freeway capable machine like the PCX150, that would be my first choice. But if I find I need something that is freeway comfortable, I know I'm going to look at the GW250 which I heard was not selling well because North Americans don't like it, or the used maxi-scooters mentioned above.

DaBinChe, I'll see what I can do about the bargaining. I agree that any scooter more than 50cc are tougher sells because anyone with a motorcycle license tend to want a real bike, while 49ccs are immensely popular here because most people have a drivers license.
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Old 02-27-2015, 09:29 PM   #6
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Go for 2013 Honda PCX locally and save the cash there not much diff better the 2015 and 2013 except for the seat. I ve not seen any use pxc under 2 grand on the local cragslist at all. You should look at the new yamaha smax 155 which is far more money but far more scooter . You might consider SYM HD 200 1000 KMS - $2400 . http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/bnc/mcy/4867489297.html If you get for 2 grand thats a deal. A great will made scooter . Nope it's not from china but Taiwan . I really hate The langely honda dealer but they do have the 2013 pcx along with another 800 bucks in dumbass fees. 1 moth ago i would have point out the honda big ruckus for 4500 on Vancouver Island that had all the upgrades you would want. As to that guy whom wants to trade will 52 000 K it going to need at least a major service before you put it on the road. Brake pads , belt , rollers . I also think you ll pay 100 bucks a month to ICBC to insure it . You might consider the Honda elite 250 on Vancouver island on cragslist if you can deal with having drum brakes . It ll do 126 KPH and 4 L per 100 K.
daytona has 2008 Yamaha 250 morphsus for sale they ve had it for a year now so a deal could be trash out. http://www.daytonamotorsports.ca/def...OwnedInventory
Is there any reason you not consider any of the Dual sport 250 cc bike out there ? They are often found around 250 bucks and are good for back and forth riding with the bonus of letting you take off on logging road etc . eg fully outfited for 2400 bucks . http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/mcy/4905728279.html

Any reason your not looking at the honda cbr 250 ? there 3 grand used http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/mcy/4899327900.html

Findly consider import a honda helix cn250 scooter . It 400 bucks to do that with loads of info on how to do it here on advrider . It's not all that hard to do. Take less then 3 hour to do if you cross the t 's and dot the I right. Here one with 10 000 miles for 2200 canada . Comes with a load of new spare parts. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcy/4902085182.html They are the grand daddy of the maxi scooters. Was in production for 25 years. I ve owned 2 of them.
Finily put an ad on clist for what your looking for under motorcycles. It took me 4 weeks to find the HOnda sh150i I wanted. More then likely you can find a used pcx that way. Also check out this honda dealer in vancouver. He one of the last old school motorcycle shops around. Eg I ve call him up and order a small 15 buck part and he didn't want my credit card. He may also have some old new stock honda pcx. http://www.hondacentre.com/Motorcycles.html
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Old 02-27-2015, 09:44 PM   #7
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I think you have some very good options for used scooters in and around your area. You might also want to look at smaller displacement motorcycles too. Probably more common than the 150-250 scooters.

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/searc...&query=scooter

The 2007 and down 400 Burgmans are 'ok' - you just need to check the engine oil more frequently than the later ones - the capacity was upped on the 2008 and newer ones.

Here are a few in your area you might want to check out - these are the ones that caught my eye while perusing the offerings:

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/mcy/4870774627.html

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/rds/mcy/4863640179.html

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/pml/mcy/4868032569.html

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/bnc/mcy/4819591820.html

http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/bnc/mcy/4867489297.html
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Old 02-28-2015, 08:40 AM   #8
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Thanks for the finds Knucklehead90. Checking the engine oil often is not a big deal for me, well as long as there is an easy way to do it that is. I might contact those other Majesties later. The guy selling the $2800 Burgman is on a local scooter forum. It has 40,000km but I might be able to bargain with him.

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Go for 2013 Honda PCX locally and save the cash there not much diff better the 2015 and 2013 except for the seat. I ve not seen any use pxc under 2 grand on the local cragslist at all.
Motorcycle World has one for $2700, there's a black one on Craigslist for $2199 but the guy didn't respond. The differences are more than the seat which I really don't mind when I sat in a 2013, I love the head lights and new instrumentation, the 8L gas tank, I'm smitten by the 2015s overall. But I would consider a 2013 solely for the bargains.

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You should look at the new yamaha smax 155 which is far more money but far more scooter . You might consider SYM HD 200 1000 KMS - $2400 . http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/bnc/mcy/4867489297.html If you get for 2 grand thats a deal. A great will made scooter . Nope it's not from china but Taiwan .
I looked at that SYM. Tempting deal, but it feels like a dated scooter. I might test ride it anyway. SMax I'm not a fan of the riding position as I stated plus I really can't stretch my budget that much so it'll be up to really good negotiating on my part.

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I really hate The langely honda dealer but they do have the 2013 pcx along with another 800 bucks in dumbass fees.
Honda Centre in Burnaby has one 2013 on their showroom also $2999 with way less fees. That's where I got my $4748 including tax quote from for a 2015.

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1 moth ago i would have point out the honda big ruckus for 4500 on Vancouver Island that had all the upgrades you would want.
Carter Motorsports has one for $6499... yea good luck with that. At $6499 a Forza is a much better scooter. But they still have old 2014 Forzas for $5399.

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As to that guy whom wants to trade will 52 000 K it going to need at least a major service before you put it on the road. Brake pads , belt , rollers . I also think you ll pay 100 bucks a month to ICBC to insure it .
That's assuming he hasn't done service to it. And it'll cost $90-100 a month to insure anything in the 110-400cc class.

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You might consider the Honda elite 250 on Vancouver island on cragslist if you can deal with having drum brakes . It ll do 126 KPH and 4 L per 100 K.
There's an Elite in Cloverdale too, but it's too old school for me.

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daytona has 2008 Yamaha 250 morphsus for sale they ve had it for a year now so a deal could be trash out. http://www.daytonamotorsports.ca/def...OwnedInventory
I took a look at it in the flesh, it's ugly. No offense to current Morphous owners. I can see the potential charm in the scooter, but it's just not for me. Especially in that yellow. I do like the trunk.

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Is there any reason you not consider any of the Dual sport 250 cc bike out there ? They are often found around 250 bucks and are good for back and forth riding with the bonus of letting you take off on logging road etc . eg fully outfited for 2400 bucks . http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/mcy/4905728279.html
That's a very nice find, thanks I'll add that to my list.

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Any reason your not looking at the honda cbr 250 ? there 3 grand used http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/mcy/4899327900.html
I don't think I'm a sport bike kind of guy. I prefer being upright in a touring style bike like the Vstrom (croon) or GW250 (baby Vstrom) or that dual sport you posted above. If I had to go for a sport bike, it would be a CBR 125 just because they're so cheap.

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Findly consider import a honda helix cn250 scooter . It 400 bucks to do that with loads of info on how to do it here on advrider . It's not all that hard to do. Take less then 3 hour to do if you cross the t 's and dot the I right. Here one with 10 000 miles for 2200 canada . Comes with a load of new spare parts. http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcy/4902085182.html They are the grand daddy of the maxi scooters. Was in production for 25 years. I ve owned 2 of them.
Finily put an ad on clist for what your looking for under motorcycles. It took me 4 weeks to find the HOnda sh150i I wanted. More then likely you can find a used pcx that way. Also check out this honda dealer in vancouver. He one of the last old school motorcycle shops around. Eg I ve call him up and order a small 15 buck part and he didn't want my credit card. He may also have some old new stock honda pcx. http://www.hondacentre.com/Motorcycles.html
Yup. As stated above, I like Honda Centre. Good honest business.

The Helix is Morphous like, not really my style. Plus not having a valid passport will stop it.
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dkazzed - I just bought a left-over, new 2013 PCX for $3k + tax, no fees from a Honda scooter dealer, Motoretta in Toronto. Good store to deal with. They had at least 1 more (white & red). Their ad is Kijiji Ad ID: 1026257352 They agreed to drop the $499 freight and set-up fee.

I suspect there must be leftovers in other provinces besides Ontario.

I would have preferred a 2015, but couldn't pass up the deal on the '13
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I agree that buying new is never a good value proposition, but I'm looking at something I can own reliably for at least 5 years and put conservatively 80,000km on it in that time without it leaving me stranded.
In your case, buying new makes the most sense. Depreciation stretched over 5 yrs don't really make a big dent.
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Yep Carter Motorsports has a big ruckus for $6499...
I talk to him on the phone about 1 month ago about some other scooter and the sales manger said we ve got one and they said 6500 . At that point I said wow I dont mean to be insulting but that s an insane price . The stock big Ruckus needs 1500 of upgrades to make it into a great ride. Just far to many issue out of the box. As to the honda crb I found myself that the riding position is less sport bike and more upright . With ICBC I keep forgetting since I m old about how much they charge new drivers. 90 bucks vs 30 for me per month. You might be able to knock 200 bucks off that 2999 because holeshot wants 2800 for there 2013 .
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You're gonna put on 10k+ miles a year, just get a new one so you won't have issues with an old bike. By the time you're done with it you'll have 50k miles. With that much miles planned best to start out new.

Look at my scoot, is 4years 3months old and has almost 43k miles already. I got it new cause I was planning on putting down at least 50k miles before getting rid of it. Because I started new I know everything about it, and really haven't had any problems, only one minor thing that was mostly my fault.

The new or NOS old PCX150 is the way to go for a commuter.
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Damn! You guys have me thinking I should go out and get a PCX! Not that I need it but it sounds so good. I've read a lot of the PCX thread located somewhere around here - lots of good information on a solid ride.

My 'problem' is if I ride in any direction out of my town I'm either on a 60mph road or I'm heading up in elevation from 1270' to almost 2700' in under 5 miles. And I'm not a small guy at 230 and I present a large drag on wind! While the Majesty I had was adequate for any riding around here I also have large feet - 11 1/2 in an extra wide. The Majesty has very narrow footrests.

The PCX sounds like a great solution for the OP and it should help keep the insurance rates down. I had no idea Canada rates are so high! Too bad he doesn't live in Washington State - no insurance required on scooters or motorcycles. Just don't get hit by some kid on a crotch rocket and you're good. I pay $19 per month for full coverage on my B650.
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Any reason your not looking at the honda cbr 250 ? there 3 grand used.l
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I don't think I'm a sport bike kind of guy. I prefer being upright in a touring style bike like the Vstrom (croon) or GW250 (baby Vstrom) or that dual sport you posted above. If I had to go for a sport bike, it would be a CBR 125 just because they're so cheap.


Have you looked at the 2015 Honda CB300F? It is a standard bike that is $3999 (US). Witha trade it might be in your budget.
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I just bought a 2013 PCX 150 for commuting and will probably put over 12000 miles on it this year. I've been commuting on a metro and put
about 9000 miles on that last year. My work has moved further away (66 mi vs 30 mi daily commute) so the PCX is perfect for me.

I haven't verified mpg for the PCX yet but am expecting at least 85+ mpg. The PCX should pay for itself in fuel savings alone in about 2 years when compared to my car. Sure is more fun!
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