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Old 02-17-2014, 10:25 AM   #3181
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:56 AM   #3182
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which group is this?
The core group is the Vespa Club of Seattle (vespaclubofseattle.org) but there are other splinter groups like the Firkins, the F**kYeahSC, and my personal favorites the Betties. You can find them all on Facebook.
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:12 PM   #3183
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Cortez, re: the oil level - what makes it go up? What are the issues for the 460cc motor?
In 2003-2004 it was the thermostat supposedly but some local Piaggio dealers don't
agree that was the cause of the problem, and think it's a design flaw, hence
the 492cc engine (other then for the new emissions standards).

Fuel gets in the oil, raises the level, increases the pressure and engine goes
POP. Complete failure. Not very common these days even if you figure out
that your engine is doing that, people just change the oil more frequently.

Supposedly short and slow city rides make the problem worse.
You could actually smell the fuel on the oil dip stick.

Just keep a close eye on it, it's a very serious problem if neglected, but
easy to check and avoid.
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:43 PM   #3184
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Old 02-17-2014, 06:09 PM   #3185
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The core group is the Vespa Club of Seattle (vespaclubofseattle.org) but there are other splinter groups like the Firkins, the F**kYeahSC, and my personal favorites the Betties. You can find them all on Facebook.
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:43 PM   #3186
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thanks!!
Well maybe I'll see you around! There's a big scooter rally in Victoria in May

http://allevents.in/victoria/2014-ga...60414787304945
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:42 PM   #3187
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In 2003-2004 it was the thermostat supposedly but some local Piaggio dealers don't
agree that was the cause of the problem, and think it's a design flaw, hence
the 492cc engine (other then for the new emissions standards).

Fuel gets in the oil, raises the level, increases the pressure and engine goes
POP. Complete failure. Not very common these days even if you figure out
that your engine is doing that, people just change the oil more frequently.

Supposedly short and slow city rides make the problem worse.
You could actually smell the fuel on the oil dip stick.

Just keep a close eye on it, it's a very serious problem if neglected, but
easy to check and avoid.
The explanation does not make sense. Thermostat has nothing to do with fuel system other than temp control and possibly being on an extra rich map used during start up. Fuel injector would have to be stuck or not properly sealed. Bad sealing rings. Is it coolant in the oil?
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:05 AM   #3188
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The explanation does not make sense. Thermostat has nothing to do with fuel system other than temp control and possibly being on an extra rich map used during start up. Fuel injector would have to be stuck or not properly sealed. Bad sealing rings. Is it coolant in the oil?
No, it's fuel.

I'm not trying to explain anything since I don't know and don't care how
this actually occurs, I'm just re-typing from other forums
and what I've heard from dozens of Piaggio dealerships here that were
my business partners and/or some owners. Same thing was happening
on the piaggio 200cc leader engines.

I have no idea how fuel ends up in the oil, I'm no mechanic.

This was a serious issue when the bike first came out in 2003, it's been over 10 years
since then, and some still have the issue, some don't.

That's why (here at least) a 460cc BV500 is A LOT cheaper used then 492cc BV500.
Everyone knows about the issue.
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:19 PM   #3189
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Well here is one of my little 125cc beastie - taken on the England/Scotland border last year during 1,000 mile ride for charity - and yes I finished in just over 23 hours .....................


Nice, looks like a honda innova 125i?
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Old 02-18-2014, 01:47 PM   #3190
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Nice, looks like a honda innova 125i?
Close - it's a Suzuki FL 125 Address - but pretty much the same as the Innova !
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:37 PM   #3191
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Close - it's a Suzuki FL 125 Address - but pretty much the same as the Innova !
Looks like an off road able bike.
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Old 02-18-2014, 05:32 PM   #3192
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went for a short 13 mile cruise on the 50cc. it was still a little muddy so no real trails.
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Old 02-18-2014, 06:27 PM   #3193
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Too much snow

80 degrees in Key West this afternoon. It's too early to be sure but I hope winter is done.


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Old 02-20-2014, 12:15 PM   #3194
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Old 02-20-2014, 01:24 PM   #3195
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