07' 990 ADV chain guide failure?

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  1. trentdirt

    trentdirt Adventurer

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    Has anyone exreienced the loss of a chan guide ?Resulting in getting jammed in the front sprocket therefore locking up the drivetrain.It happened to me this last sunday on Skaggs spring rd(Sanoma co.NorCal)I entered a downhill right turn when my rearend locked up as I was already leaned in and I highsided resulting in Heli ride to the emergency room,with multiple fractures and a concusion.When I got home and did some looking around on ktm websites there it was!!!A recall on that chain guide.I bought the bike new in the beggining of 08' so I never recieved no recall.Should it have already been fixed brfore I bought it???Anyone with any legal advise???Rider down due to mechanical failure is not a good feeling!!!
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  2. bkshovel

    bkshovel Old Adventurer

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    Sooo, what's the recall all about? This is the first I've heard of it.
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  3. brents347

    brents347 Trusting my Cape...

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    This was a pretty well talked about deal in the first 12-18 months of the 990. The fastener bolts that held the chain guide to the swingarm weren't tightened and also needed to be locktited.

    The bikes ate a number of chainguides and caused a couple of pucker moments (but I think yours is the first fall I remember) before KTM put out the TSB.

    General concensus was don't ride your 990 until you've had the TSB done or tightened/locktited the bolts yourself. I ask your dealer about it, and what else they may not have done for you before turning over the bike.

    Brent

    Here's the TSB (credit goes to CPmodem)

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    And here's the thread that started it all.
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325307&highlight=chain-slider

    I don't have a 990 so I never paid a whole lot of attention to this (but I did check my 950), but it is interesting that the TSB states that "it is mandatory that you discontinue riding the motorcycle until the repair has been made".
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  5. trentdirt

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  6. trentdirt

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    Thanks again for the reply and Info. you have given me.I maintain my own bikes pretty analy!And I have never seen or heard of a guide doing that,a chain yes.I was going to take my wife that day(Valentines day)but she decided she did not want to go.Good thing hu?Something as simple as a piece of plastic could of cost me my life and my kids with no Dad,Makes you think.Do you think Ktm should pay for my bike and broken bones?I'm not really "that guy"but on the other hand???Thanks for the Reach program!!!Not sure if everyone knows about Reach but fot $50 a year it covers me and my family.Probably saved me about $15,000.00.If you don't have it you should check it out.
    Thanks again...
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  7. trentdirt

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    It is simple as a couple of drops of loctite on 2 bolts.I bought the bike new but it was almost 2 years old.Really good deal.I'm assuming the dealership would of got that recall and would of fixed it before I recieved it???:deal
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  8. DualSportSucker

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    Wouldn't look to KTM if you're thinking lawsuit... they issued the service bulletin. The dealer should have performed all recommended updates prior to delivery. If it's been a couple of years, it may be a tough case to make whether they did or didn't... even loctite isn't forever.

    Heal up fast!
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  9. tcskibike2008

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    First I want to say that sucks and I hope you are feeling better but a lawsuit, thats a stretch for a bolt coming loose after 2 years. One would almost expect things like this to happen thats why a thorough check of all your fasteners is a must. It comes back to personally responsibility , something our culture has lost. You(We) are riding a motorcycle and risking our lives, a lawyer does no good when that fastener goes and you are in the middle of a big off.

    Please don't take this personally not intended to call you out specifically more of a rant about personal responsibilities.

    Now if this happened a couple weeks after a purchase or if a part just failed, like a broken BMW fork leg then a lawsuit may be warranted.

    TonyC
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  10. 1stiski

    1stiski Ride that nasty thing

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    Glad to hear you survived that crash, Too bad this had to happen., kind of scary, really scary.
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  11. Gimme 2

    Gimme 2 wheels , with nobs

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    Man ...your a lucky guy.

    this is totally out of your control when something like this happens, mine come loose and i could hear some thing, luckily i noticed and stopped to find it flapping bolt gone.
    Guide across the chain.
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  12. Dogtown

    Dogtown Been here awhile

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    Dude!

    Sorry about your accident! I have the same bike and I know the roads you where on. I bought my 07 at Scuderia and they did the service to fasten the chain guard then. It was all over the "orange crush" at the time and I still check and re-lock tight those buggers every-so often. Thought about safety wiring it on and after your post I think thats exactly what I'm gunna do!

    Hope you heal up soon! I'm in Marin so if ya get yourself and the bike fixed lets ride!

    Cheers
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  13. forrestrider

    forrestrider Dont Do Stupid Shit..

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    When I got my 07 in 08, I saw the told the dealer about it and they said
    (We check all safety notices and fix them.) The chain slider was the main thing on the list. and there was one other thing, But I cant think of what it was now. Well riding around 70 mph the bike jumped and I almost went down with less than 350 miles on it , it also caused the gear houseing to crack. dealer lied about fixing it. I also cought them in 3 other lies to me.
    Ill post a pic as soon as i find it.
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    And in my opinion THIS type of story is a legal liability for the dealer. As for the OP, I believe he was trying to say that his bike sat NEW at the dealer for 2 years before he bought it. He has not mentioned how long he has had the bike or how many miles it has. If the bike is 6 months old and has less than a thousnad miles or so, than yes, the dealer probably has a level of liability.

    EDIT. I see that the OP bought his bike new in early '08, so it is 2 years old. Probably outside the timeframe for being able to say whether or not the dealer did the recall.
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  15. trentdirt

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    I do agree with what you said.The bike does have about 7k on it right now.Very well maintained.Just something I missed!Again it's just scary that a small piece of plastic can take you out so fast without any warning.And I'm not looking for a "big lawsuit"just sucks to get the short end of the stick.....thanks for your post well appreciated!
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  16. GSMark

    GSMark Just Love Bikes

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    I am new to the bigger Orange rides. I've had a few of the smaller ones... 640 Adv, 125 MXC...
    I purchased a 2007 990 Adv about 6 months ago. I will be putting locktite on my slider bolts before my next ride.

    I am so sorry to hear about your crash and problem with the chain slider.
    I am happy that you are alive and able to warn us about this potential problem.

    Thank you for sharing this unfortunate event. You just might have saved a few of us from experiencing the same fate... or worse.

    You really should talk to your dealer and see what he has to say.
    That might give you some direction on your next step in getting this rectified.

    FWIW
    I WAS one of those the guys that would say "don't add to the problem getting lawyers and insurance companies involved"... then I got wiped out by a car that ran a RED light. I didn't contact a lawyer and delt with the other drivers insurance company on my own. BIG MISTAKE. They will take advantage of you and see your "weakness" of not getting a lawyer.
    They walk all over you. It was impossible to get them to pay my medical bills! NEVER AGAIN! I will contact a lawyer anytime I have a major problem. The insurance companies taught me this. They are their own worst enemy.

    Personally responsibility is one thing that I believe in. I am not sure if this your fault like others suggest.

    Hang in there, get well soon,
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    Years of roadracing taught me a few things, one thing I've tried to remember is that when riding a motorcycle there are so many variables, so many things we can't control.... Other riders on the track, the weather, traffic, animals, the list goes on... so many things that we have no control over that it always seemed even more important to make sure that what I do have complete control over is in perfect order. That is me and my bike. I inspect my bikes regularly, cleaning them is a great way to inspect them, and the better you know the bike, the easier it is to notice something is wrong.
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  18. gefr

    gefr Life is a trip

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    We live in the 21st century and in the US you live, the edge of technology you cannot accept this "Destiny" approach! Engineers and Dealers have to take responsibility for their mistakes!! You need to lead the world as you already do for us living in smaller countries.

    His responsibility has two cases according to my mind:

    1) If the TSB was issued before you bought your bike, he should have fixed the issue

    2) If the TSB was issued after you bought your bike, he should move the earth and find you to at least inform you

    My benefit in this is I would tell dealers and co drivers about your accident and how a law suit put him out of business, so people will start feeling more responsible here as wel. US law and liability system is always the country we look up to. Cheers.
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  19. trentdirt

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    Thanks for the respond!It's almost like how the hot ckicks love the assholes in this world.Mr. nice guy doesn't get far in life.I keep banking bad situations on karma.Firm believer in it just wish it would pay off:puke1 I am that guy that just doesn't want 2 deal with the bs.Deffinetly don't want 2 deal with the lawyer thing.Just not 2 sure what 2 do about this one.And I know the chancs we all take when we sit on that bike it just really bites when we do wash and maintnance our rides regulary.I'm pretty anal about it 2 not just being clean but I'm the guy that pulls out the tools and goes every bolt possible each time,well almost everytime.I didn't the time that counted!maybe with an Bones will heal and I'll be back again..........maybe with a 2001!!!thanks again
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  20. big adv

    big adv I need supervision

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    The first thing you should do is find out if this recall has been done on this bike. You can do this on the KTM website if you have the delivery certificate No. and the vin. Or you can call KTM NA with the vin and owner info. and they should be able to check. Or you can have your local dealer check.

    Ether way (recall done or not) I'd inform KTM NA of the situation in a factual manner, no need to cry bloody murder at this point. See how they are willing to deal with the situation.

    Speculation on my part;

    Seeing as the bike was new old stock 07 sold in early 08, the dealer probably got the recall letter and performed the recall. Hence the reason you did not get the notice.

    IF the recall is shown as done, not much can be expected. But you never know. One other thing to keep in mind is that it is stated specifically in the mantainance check sheet to check the chain slider for tightness at the first(1000km)service and at every service after that, so in theory the bolts and component in question should have been checked about 2000miles ago.(you stated the bike has about 7k on it at time of accident) One of the pitfalls of doing your own mant. is that you assume the responsibility.

    Don't get me wrony, I feel for ya, this kind of thing sucks.

    Good luck and heal fast,
    Earl
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