07' 990 ADV chain guide failure?

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by trentdirt, Feb 17, 2010.

  1. charlie264

    charlie264 Long timer

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    Sorry to hear your still mending after all this time, if you know what I mean. A lesson for us all.

    Did the stealer take responsibillity and fix your bike?
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  2. 666

    666 Agnostic and Orange

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    I was replacing rear tire today on my 06 950 and found this

    [​IMG]

    Fortunately my 450 has same bucket and screw, untill i get new from dealer. Red loctite this time.
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  3. geometrician

    geometrician let's keep going...

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    Your pictures are great & I agree this is the solution to the problem, as there isn't much metal for these screws to thread into, and I've already had my loctited bolts come loose within the year after (re)doing them in February.

    After many years of prepping roadracing motorcycles I thought I'd pass along a few things a US Naval aircraft mechanic pointed out to me when I first started drilling & wiring nuts & bolts:

    1) run the bolt you are going to use into its final position (torqued) and mark where you are going to drill your hole, then remove it and index it so you know where it goes in case of multiple fasteners. From then on, that bolt goes in that hole only. Hole selection will go to its fixed anchor point or the next fastener if you are daisy-chain wiring a group fasteners
    2) the hole should run to a fixed object so the wire is running away from the fastener in a clockwise direction (for standard "right hand" threads) so that when the wire is installed & twisted it prevents the fastener rotating towards loosen. You can wrap one face of a hex bolt with the twisted braid, but any more and the braid can roll over the head of the bolt and become loose.
    3) the wire braid should be taught but not "banjo string" tight, with no freeplay towards the fixed object you are anchoring to. In the case of harder metals (not aluminum/magnesium) be aware of hard edges (from your drilling for example) where a "notch" can be propagated in the wire. Stainless is fatigue resistant, but a sharp edge can initiate a failure. Holes should be radiused & deburred where applicable.​

    In your photo you have both excess wire & the wire pulls towards loosening the bolt. While it isn't going to turn very far, it will loosen your joint & the chain will do the rest once it starts to move. In addition a neat wiring job will allow you (at a glance) to see if anything has moved

    To that end, check out this thread I just found from a Model T Forum, no less: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/48566.html?1203684828[​IMG]

    Just wanted the Inmates to know the technique so they'll treat all their safety wire jobs accordingly. One of my favorite things to do is walk the pits at a race & check out how others had wired their bikes; some treatments border on art
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  4. Dave70

    Dave70 Been here awhile

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    KTM's with FD failures..

    You know someone's gotta be having a chuckle, right?..
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  5. AdvGa

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    Geo,
    Thanks for sharing your pearls of Wisdom!
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  6. O.C.F.RIDER

    O.C.F.RIDER Loose nut behind h/bars

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    YEAH! Let's put them cock-suckers out of business!
    That'll teach 'em!
    Then I can have another great bike sitting in my basement that I can no longer get parts for!

    You're a jerk.
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  7. geometrician

    geometrician let's keep going...

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    The recent posts on the LC8 side stand mounting location and this make me think of why Shoei helmets cost (almost) as much as Aria's now- lawsuits.

    As a manufacturer of quality helmets their lower price brought them a lot of sales compared to the more expensive Arai.

    As statistics go, they were sued more than Arai & this caused them to raise the prices of their helmets.

    If it's the question of a flawed final drive design that was fixed on the Corvair, or the "banning" of Honda/etc 3-wheeled ATVs that were withdrawn from the product line, consumer lawsuits do the public (& other consumers) good.

    Other types (tort) lawsuits either put the company in question out of business or had them increase product costs/reduce R&D to pay for insurance premiums, lawyers, litigation, etc, etc.

    I used to be a Triumph mechanic back in the bad old days (um, before Hinckley went to Japan & copied a 3cyl Ninja motor) and shit fell off those bikes all the time. The oil feed line to the rocker arms/valve gallery wasn't force-fed, it was tee'd off the return line to the tank from the sump scavenger pump... anyone who knows hydraulic laws (or a kid with a tea cup in the bathtub) knows that liquids will go in the direction of least resistance, so the Triumphs ate their top ends every 7-12,000 miles from lack of proper lubrication... and they NEVER fixed it!!! That is one big reason why the Japanese left Triumph/BSA/Norton/etc in the weeds and put many of them out of business: because they refused to change things while the Japanese studied EVERY failure with scrutiny... "One dissatisified customer can undo the work of one hundred satisified customers" as the saying goes.

    Fellas, we have the Ferraris of off-road motorcycles. Period. I'd bet more than half of us bought these bikes knowing full well their Achilles Heal(s) & problems. This is not an un-educated group at OC.

    You pay to play here, this is not a company that has the resources (person-hour or $) to play the way the Japanese did (I say did because they fell under the direction of their shareholders to return a dividend and they quit fixing things, ala Toyota & throttle systems) so don't expect them to respond as such.

    I'm just damn glad I have this unfucking-believably badass capable bike in my garage and I get to ride her all I want

    And the real fix for this is to insert RivNuts in the swingarm... I am working with Hansen Rivet to find a reasonable solution; right now they are quoting $15 for the fasteners & $59 for the installation tool; the tool could be used for all different sizes of blind fasteners so you fabricators out there could go crazy. You could probably bribe an aircraft or bus (Municipal/Greyhound) mechanic to put yours in for you, they deal with them everyday
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  8. Peanuts

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    I know its a slightly old thread, but here is my solution.

    I drill the hole out 1/4" then use an M6 x 100 allen screw and nyloc. That will never come out!
    [​IMG]
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  9. gefr

    gefr Life is a trip

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    These fixing holes are aligned? This is a permanent fix. Thanx for posting. Cheers.
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  10. Peanuts

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    Yes, the holes are perfectly aligned.... in fact you only need to drill out one hole, you can use the threads in the other hole in addition to the nyloc :)
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  11. gefr

    gefr Life is a trip

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    The allen screws needed to be M6X100 since 90 were just surfacing. Anyway permanent peace of mind.
    Cheers.:clap
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  12. Peanuts

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    Ooops, sorry. The 90 are for EXC models.
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  13. plumbtired

    plumbtired plunging into the farkle

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    The thru bolt remedy was mentioned earlier in the thread, but pics R worth a thousand words. Thanks for posting pics with size of bolt too! Great idea. :deal
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  14. Xtremjeepn

    Xtremjeepn Motorhead!

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    I'm on my second 5k ish trip in the last month on my 06 950. Just hosed it off for inspection and have lost the chain guide bolt on the topside of the swingarm. :huh

    I'm having an insanely slow Internet connection this morning so didn't try to read the whole thread. Does anyone know off the top of their head what size bolt this is? I'm about to look for a hardware store to replace it before riding any further today.

    Hell.....if you want just text me the size 303-359-7469 it might be faster than this connection right now. :huh
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    #55
  16. Xtremjeepn

    Xtremjeepn Motorhead!

    Joined:
    May 31, 2008
    Oddometer:
    2,167
    Location:
    SaddleRock, Colorado
    Thanks.....none of that stuff was loading and readable where I was at. :cry Could barely post at the time.

    Also, since I was basically along side the road I didn't have a drill with me either :lol3

    I did manage to find a Home Depot and bought a 6x30mm bolt and a couple washers to get me back on the road. :wink: It was the longest bolt they had so I figured it would at least take awhile to back out this time:lol3
    #56
  17. Nailhead

    Nailhead Free at last!

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2003
    Oddometer:
    7,144
    Location:
    Longmont, CO
    Just got around to loctiting them about a month ago while installing my shock. Two years after I posted this.

    Drilled the swingarm, too.

    Peace of mind is wonderful stuff. :clap
    #57
  18. Yascher

    Yascher Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2009
    Oddometer:
    394
    Location:
    Moscow, Russia
    Great thread,
    Myne were loose after a year since I've threadlocked!!! No it's time for through bolting)))
    #58
  19. gefr

    gefr Life is a trip

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2005
    Oddometer:
    4,617
    Location:
    East Med, Greece
    Where is that?
    #59