'07 TuneECU Map reviews and musings

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  1. docwyte

    docwyte Long timer

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    I have an '07 990, all the emissions stuff has been removed, Remus Roxx with a 2-1 pipe, Rottweiler intake, currently have 16/45 for gearing. Live in Denver, so ~5500-6000 ft above sea level.

    Thought I'd type out some of my thoughts of three different TuneECU maps I've tried.

    #1 Akrapovic Map.
    Supposedly this map runs rich. SAI, EPC and O2 boxes unchecked. With my current gearing my range was 125 miles before the low fuel light would come on. Initial throttle response was quite good. Crack the throttle and VROOM! Really good pick up across the entire rpm band. Coming off the throttle though is another story. Very abrupt, almost to the point of throwing me forward. Hard to modulate, particularly at low speeds. I really didn't like that, at all.

    #2 Hoologan Map
    More fuel than the Zuber Map, but uses the Zuber Ignition Mapping. SAI, EPC and O2 boxes unchecked. With the 16/45 gearing and this map I was getting low 100's for range. Much smoother throttle behavior compared to the Akrapovic map, both rolling into and out of the throttle. Good throttle response, couldn't really feel a power difference between it and the Akrapovic map. However, my bike really didn't like this map. I had a lot of issues with the bike dying when I'd put the clutch in coming to a stop, then the bike would be hard to refire, would run roughly and wouldn't take throttle. Was much worse the lower my fuel level got. Symptoms dissappeared when I pulled the map off and replaced it with either the Akrapovic or the Zuber map.

    #3 Zuber Map
    Stock fuel map, same ignition map as the Hoologan map. SAI and EPC boxes unchecked, so O2 sensor is active. Very smooth throttle behavior, particularly rolling off the throttle. Feels like it makes less power than the Akrapovic map but its hard to tell for sure, as it could just be the abruptness of the Akrapovic map that makes it feel much snappier. Haven't run through enough tanks to tell the range on this map yet. It feels like its making less power, which will probably turn into a longer range.

    I'll update fuel range with the Zuber map soon.
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  3. buaan

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    Interesting post! I am using the Hooligan map, with SAI turned on but O2's/EPC off. I have a Remus 2-1 but standard intake and emissions crap.

    I get around ~110miles until the fuel light and am using 16/42T (oops 16/45t) gearing.

    I also found that is smoothed out the jerky throttle and power is good but as you mention the fuel consumption is a bit raw. I am only a few hundred feet maybe above sea level so I may not be getting the over fuelling that you experienced.

    I might pull a few % in fuelling from the fuel tables to bring them a bit nearer to the stop map and see how it responds, will report back if I do that.
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  4. docwyte

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    TheDak, the Akrapovic map is available on the TuneECU or the Rottweiler website. Ping me and I can send you the "Hoologan" and the "Zuber" maps.

    buann, yeah, you're getting even worse mpg with the "Hoologan" map than I was if you consider I have shorter gearing than you do by 500 rpm. I'd be curious to see what happens when you lean the map out some, as it sure seems like its a really, really rich fuel map.

    Generally I need less fuel due to the altitude where I live. In my cars, they automatically adjust for the altitude, with inputs from the mass air meter and the O2 sensor. I guess the 990 doesn't have the computing power to handle that?
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    Oops, I'm running same gearing as you, the 16/45T. Sorry. I agree it is really rich, if you pull the bung out the exhaust it pops and bangs really loud if still running SAS!!

    I wonder what % increase in fuelling there is over stock, I'll try and calculate and take half that back out then test.

    I'm no expert but I thought at high altitude your air is thinner, so your getting less of it in to the cylinder per cycle compared so someone at sea level. That's not considering the air temp though, colder air is denser.

    If your 990 is pumping in a lot of fuel you may not have enough air to mix properly with it so could be over fuelling, hence why it cuts out? Mine doesn't cut out at 300ft altitude.

    Makes sense that your cars CPU senses the air pressure and injects less fuel, so is more economical but produces less power I expect? The 990 might be blasting in fuel with total disregard haha.
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    Exactly, less air up here so need less fueling. Also need less octane, that's why 91 octane up here acts the same as 93/94 octane at sea level.

    I'm theorizing that the "Hoologan" map was too rich for my altitude, my bike really didn't like it! I really chased this too, thought it was everything but the mapping, but when I swapped the maps, it went away.
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  7. buaan

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    Interesting!

    I might try putting the stock fuel values in to make myself a Zuber map and see how the bike responds. I can sacrifice a bit of power to get a few mpg's back as I am using the bike to commute and it is way fast enough with the 16/45 gearing. I can always add fuel in from stock rather than take it away and make things too lean.
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    Agreed. I'd rather have my old 150-160 mile to low fuel light range (that I had with 17/45 gearing) than a little extra power. So if the Zuber stock fuel map gets me back that range but with my current 16/45 gearing I'll consider that a win.
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    Since I own a 2007 too, here's my experience so far.
    Bike is an '07 EU model and has a single can Akra (H pipe mod), stock air filter with UNI pre-filter, emission crap removed, 16/42 gearing. And 101000km :super

    1. I've used the Akra map since new, which I modified in the secondary 'flies map to mimic the oval 'flies.

    2. Then, last year, hoologan sent me his map, from which I copied the ignition maps only and pasted into my map (thus still with Akra fueling).
    I noticed a slightly better mileage. Nothing extraordinary, but was easier to get higher miles out of a tank (>240km/150mi before the low fuel light).​

    3. Next test was to lean out all the fuel maps by 4%, with no noticeable results.

    4. Now I'm running a map with stock KTM fueling, hoologan ignition and my secondary 'flies map.
    The range is now 270-300km/165-185mi before the low fuel light. The only downside is that the surging around 3000rpm is back, but I can live with it.​

    Until #3 the bike was smelling of unburned gas and emitting black smoke. Now only a little bit of smoke and no smell.
    No differences in the power peak in any of the configurations, and I like very much the feel of the hoologan I map.

    Hope my english make sense :D
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  10. buaan

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    Thanks for sharing. I'll try the stock KTM fuel values also and leave everything else as Hooligan map.

    Did you leave the O2 sensors switched on? I think this is the key to getting better fuel economy but I reckon also results in the surging at partial low load throttle.
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    Switched off.
    That could be a test to do, albeit I'm really content how it does now.

    Another test could be to paste the same fuel, ignition and 2nd throttle on a stock map.
    My point is there could be some hidden programming that's not visible in TuneEcu (likewise the immoblilizer) that may affect the mileage. Food for thought.
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  12. buaan

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    Thanks for reply. I used my stock map and copied the cells across from the Hooligan one, just incase there were hidden areas etc.

    I'll copy back the stock fuelling and report back, I need to find time to mess with it and run the 15m reset! If I can get 30 extra miles out of a tank I may be able to deal with it being a bit more snatchy, we will see.
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    Has anyone ever played with the Mappa_Biemma map off of the TuneECU site? I had it on for a little and it seemed to smooth the throttle out a lot but took away that "beast" feel the akro map gives
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    I have the O2 on. Doesn't seem to surge at all. I haven't tried the Mappa_Biemma yet. I can't lie, I do like the power that the Akra map gives, but the range on it sucks, as does the throttle on/off feeling.

    There may be some middle ground there by using the Zuber ignition mapping with the Akra fuel mapping, but taking away 10% or so of the fuel from the Akra fuel map.

    Has anyone compared the Akra fuel map to stock and seen how much and where its more rich?
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    My 990 is a 06 with Rotty intake, Akra`s, emissions crap removed.
    Tried Akra map, so so.
    Mappa_Biemma map still a bit snatchy.

    Now I have paid a company in USA to send me a map. They recently dyno`d a fellow inmates bike (cant remember his name) and he praised this company. They said they would work with me to get mine right. First version of the map is indeed an improvement. Only a slight snatch left with more midrange power than before. I have been waiting for aprox 8 weeks for them to continue the process (fault light throwing a code. hey used a USA map for OZ bike that dosnt have charcoal canisters etc) but things have been busy there. Sent email this morning to get answers.
    Will update my progress.

    Good to have a dedicated thread for the 06 07 model imho.

    Cheers.
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  16. buaan

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    Interesting, sounds like you may have a good map there.

    I just put stock fuel values on to the Hooligan map, can't yet notice much difference other than it hardly pops/bangs now on overrun due to less fuel.

    Will report back after my commute tomo to say if it is snatchy or less responsive
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    Stock fuel values on the Hoologan map = Zuber Map.
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    My o2's are off so a Buaan map haha, copy and pasted the values from the Hooligan ignition tables and F-L table on to my stock map so hopefully I retain any underlying UK/euro related data we can't see in TuneEcu.
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    How do you seperate the ignition from the fuel maps and paste one from here to another? I'm tempted to take the ignition mapping from the Zuber map and pair it with the fuel mapping from the Akrapovic map. Just to see how it feels. Ya know, for science.
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    Where can I download Hooligan map or Zuber map?
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