1190 Adventure R vs 990 Adventure Baja Touratech Video Review

Discussion in 'Ridiculous streetbikes with 6 CPUs and too much HP' started by dragos, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. Terence FFM

    Terence FFM prof. cat-herder

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    Absolutely right.

    KTM is a business with the sole intention of selling bikes and the fact is that this recipe sells better than the 950/990 recipe. If I were a share holder, I would applaud this development. As it is, I will continue riding and loving my 990 knowing I am the limiting factor in how well/fast I get from "A" to "B" on or off road, and not the bike.

    I don't doubt that the 1190's superior throttle response would help me off road, but a 400 or better yet 350 pound two cylinder adventure bike with more fly wheel than a 690R would help me more. And for me that is the first and only 990 alternative I can see myself trading my 990 for, as much as I like the 1190.
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  2. mobileman

    mobileman West Lothian

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    I think the 1190 has been designed a different way, but i don't know if i agree that is wasn't thought out to be a dirt bike. I loved my 950, and i agree it was a rally bike by design first and foremost, but it was also designed to be KTM's first road bike. And it need tweaking to improve, as we all know

    My 1190R is a heap better a road bike, its rapid, super smooth on the throttle, and the electronics just make the whole thing safer. The brakes are superb, and the ones on my 950 weren't as good as they could have been (a few track days didn't help mind!!) The ABS isn't intrusive at all, the way it should be, and the offroad setting works really well

    Sure, it need some tweaks as well. The 1190 needs a decent sump guard, but who was ever happy with the 950 sump guard?? The 950 has lots of exposed fragile bits behind it that need protected. The exhausts on the 950 were the first thing we all changed as well, many going to single silencers for the rally look. I am sure there will be slimmer systems for the 1190, i cant wait to get rid of the cat in the main pipe

    I find the suspension pretty good on the 1190, a few adjustments and it seems fine. My 950 had the softest front ever for the size of the bike (i resprung them very quickly), so i feel i have stepped forwards with the new bike.

    I have taken my 1190 offroad, not muddy hills, but some pretty rough trails and forestry tracks. These are roads i drove with the 950 and i think the 1190 was every bit as good, maybe even better due to the smoothness of the throttle and electronics. It was great fun and very confidence inspiring

    The single tank isnt a problem, i haven't felt any difference with the tank full, just like my 950. But i must admit i dont miss twin caps!!

    I think this whole subject is a matter of opinion, i loved my 950 to bits, it wasn't a perfect motorcycle, but i never found anything that gave me a reason to change it. However i will say i think i love my 1190R even more. Sure, its not a perfect motorcycle either, but its a great bike and i am sure i will love tweaking it to make it even better.

    I think no matter if its a 950, 950 or an 1190 what we have is the best big dual sports of their generation, and i hope KTM have a big success on their hands, enabling them to grow and give us even more choice. Like i say, not perfect out the box, but i wouldn't have anything else in my garage!!
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  3. Nowwhat

    Nowwhat I'll Go Second...

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    hahahaha..

    too bad they don't produce parts as well as they produce a video...:lol3..
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  4. dlrides

    dlrides 1:1.618

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    I'm sure a vendor that is interested in selling a new product line has nothing to do with the outcome.

    :norton
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  5. Bonsai Elephant

    Bonsai Elephant Banned

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    My 990 was a better off-road bike than I was an off-road rider.

    I'm sure the 1190R will be too.

    I can't wait for it to hit the States.
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  6. imeny

    imeny Been here awhile

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    And he also speaks about the comparison with the 990.

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/S6zpqykzYWk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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  7. dragos

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    Much more to the point and useful than the Touratech thing.
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  8. Sporting Wood

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    +1, far better. Honesty counts.

    Looks like they are square cutting the tubes and filling the gaps with MIG wire. Ugly!
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  9. Trail newb

    Trail newb Adventurer

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    :rofl Being a pipe welder i had to check them out, look pretty solid.... :csm
    Maybe the paint is structural paint.....
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  10. speed_racer

    speed_racer Been here awhile

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    yeah i just had a look too...
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  11. speed_racer

    speed_racer Been here awhile

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    Hey All,
    The touratech upper crash bars are now available on the US site, @ $349, its a fair bit cheaper than the rumbux version..

    http://www.touratech-usa.com/Store/PN-371-5161/Upper-Crash-Bars-KTM-1190-Adventure-R

    Because aust havent offered them yet, im trying to be sneaky and ask for a price on shipping :D
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  12. DRTII

    DRTII Been here awhile

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    When you have a finite number of 9*0's on the market, and a new product with undetermined (but projected) success, that's pretty much it. They're hoping skies the limit (where they already see the limit on 9*0's) and while they may not have a vested interest in 1190 sales from a shareholder standpoint, the success of the 1190 has everything to do with the sales success of future products geared towards this model.

    So in short. I agree. Fluff.
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  13. Todd-Squad

    Todd-Squad See Ya, Bye.

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    I saw the Touratech stickers on the crash bars, Touratech may be developing some, but this company in Johannesburg, South Africa is who made them first.
    http://www.rumbux.co.za/index.html I found this link a couple of months ago on a European ADV website. They sure look good. I just have to wonder if they are worth the extra 15 pounds.

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  14. Sparrowhawk

    Sparrowhawk Long timer

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    Don't forget about the savings/profit from all the big bikes using the same engine. SP is all about sharing platforms these days.

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