1190 R low speed wobble - any fix available?

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  1. TakSD

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    I have read through many posts on the 990 handle bar wobble problems but I haven't really found a solution...

    My 2014 1190 now has 2500km; yesterday it was like it was on rails and today while decelerating for some traffic lights took my hands off the bars and almost lost the bike!!! Tried it a few more times and when taking my hands off the bars at any speed from 50-90 km/h, they start to wobble. I could even feel it with my hands ON the bars at one point...
    It is very annoying, especially knowing that the bike has a steering damper and simply was 100% ok yesterday... I put Pirelli scorpion trails on when the bike was new, simply because I don't trust the continentals... I must say till now the pirellis have performed impressively!

    So here are any more details I can think of that might be relevant:
    Front tyre needed 40 grams to fully balance from day 1. Re checked the balancing today and it was still OK
    I checked could not feel any play on the axle, bearings, head etc
    Suspension has been set to standard from day 1 and ran like on rails
    I weight about 82kg so even the sag was fine

    So do other have is problem?
    Is there a permanent solution?
    Is there something else I could check that might need adjusting?

    Wouldn't you be pissed???

    Cheers
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  2. Black Hills

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    Check tire pressure first (F&R), that can cause it. Also check for cupping on the tire. make sure you check axle torque and bearing play front and rear. after that steering head and swingarm bearings.

    your answer is most likely the tire unless you have been doing creek crossings.
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  3. Martyred

    Martyred Been here awhile

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    I had the same problem between 50 to 80 km/h. All balancing and reajustment of the front tire didn't solve the problem. Than my dealer changed the tire for warrenty and now it is all perfect.

    There were a couple of conti tires which had a manufacturing error. Probably you got one of those.
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  4. scudrunner82

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    Check your front rim runout. I have a truing stand and mine was out enough to make the bars wiggle around 45-55 MPH. I thought it was the tire balance, but turned out to be the rim. Easy fix at least if you have a spoke wrench and some patience. So far its been the only issue with my 1190.
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  5. TakSD

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    Thanks for all the responses!

    Blackhills, tyres pressure is 2.3 front and 2.6 rear. I always prefer to keep them a little low. Beauty of having TPMS :)
    Have checked axle torque, bearing play and steering head... Will also check the swingarm.

    Martyred, I changed the tyres when new to the Scorpion Trail that is practically a road tyre... I am sure a new tyre would fix it for now but I prefer not to mask the problem and have it happening again in 2,000 km...

    Scudrunner, thanks for the info. I am hoping this is the problem and will have it checked today. When balancing the tyre there was some runout so fingers crossed :)
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  6. Black Hills

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    try p bumping tire pressures up to recommended and see what happens. My CBR would wobble when the front was 5psi low.
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  7. PS-RagE

    PS-RagE Been here awhile

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    Betcha the rim has a flat spot. Happens to me all the time. :wink:
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  8. TakSD

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    Thankfully, PROBLEM SOLVED!

    Played with geometry, rebalanced the wheels, realigned the rear wheel, checked every single spoke... the shake wouldnt go away...
    Just when I was out of options we said to physically check the head bearing, even though there was no play when pushing/pulling the tyre, forks, handlebars etc...
    Well it was loose, tightened it just a bit and now its like it's on rails again :)

    weekend riding here i come!!! :clap
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  9. Pork Butt

    Pork Butt Save the USA

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    bumping this thread my new 1190 ADV not an R has a terrible wobble :huh


    it came with a bad controller for the signals and high beam (fixed already) but look what I found on the front tire.


    [​IMG]


    six on each side :eek1


    PB
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  10. Two Tigers

    Two Tigers Been here awhile

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    Steering head bearings! I had to have them tightened a few times my standard 1190 due to the same issue.

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  11. Yellow Pig

    Yellow Pig Allergic to asphalt!

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    It's the new steel ones that weigh less, since the good lead ones have been banned.
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  12. DirtyOrange

    DirtyOrange Gnarly n00b

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    My 1190 standard has been to the dealer two times to address the head shake/ wobble. The first time the mechanic corrected front wheel balance and trued the front rim. It was better but did not eliminate it altogether. It gradually got worse and so I checked runout on both front and rear rims. Front was within spec., rear was out with two "low tone" spokes. Mechanic trued and balanced rear wheel but it didn't help much.

    He acknowledged that the head shake remained but concluded that it was probably the tires. I was advised to see how things are when I change tires. It annoys me that the problem remains.

    It's going in on tuesday for starter/battery cables and a leak down test (yes, dust in the air box and intake stacks). I'll have him check the steering head bearings.
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  13. irongrady

    irongrady Been here awhile

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    Mine had a runout issue from the factory as well. 20 minutes on a truing stand turning some spokes and it's all better.
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  14. Pork Butt

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    Dealer called today .... the rim has a major flat spot and is being replaced.


    I have never heard of this many rims and tires being fooked not very confidence building. :huh



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  15. PS-RagE

    PS-RagE Been here awhile

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    They are replacing it? Under warranty? :huh
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  16. ADVill

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    I didn't know the 1190 came with Scorpions up front too... :rofl That's what caused my shake up front. If you can do it and please be careful, stand up and look at the front tire as it spins. My Scorpion looked like a wheel that was badly out of true. The wheel was perfect. Mis-cast tire. POS!!
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  17. Pork Butt

    Pork Butt Save the USA

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    rim and if needed the tire I should find out Thursday .... I only got 230 miles on it and kept telling them this thing was all over the road on deceleration.



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  18. Pork Butt

    Pork Butt Save the USA

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    I thought all the 1190 non r's came with Continentals ??


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  19. Bluesilver

    Bluesilver Been here awhile

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    Lovely, my Feb 2013 1190 had the same problem with header bearings, took KTM 12months and two dealer with two sets of bearings to finally do what I told them to do, thread lock the damn nut, and it's July 2014 and STILL KTM is selling a defective steering....:baldy

    Happy to hear you've sorted the problem.:clap
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