1200GSW Fixed Fork Tube Issues & Recall Threadfest

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by chef_of_the_future, Nov 4, 2016.

  1. Flying Naartjie

    Flying Naartjie One day Adventurer

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    Bundi, was the bike a rental? I live in Cape Town SA and have mates involved in GS rentals here and have ridden the roads these bikes get used on and can tell you these bikes take a serious hammering. I suspect the hit or hits that dislodged those tubes occurred miles before the crash and may even have occurred on a different trip in someone else's hands entirely and the bike literally "gave up" just at that particular point on that particular road.
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  2. Loutre

    Loutre Cosmopolitan Adv

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    nice first post in 6 years :fpalm
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  3. Bundi

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    Hi Naartjie, yes was a rental and I’m sure they get hammered. However, most of the bikes had around 6000kms on them when we took over in Vic Falls so I believe they were just run in before the trip up to Vic Falls. A spare bike was trailered up had 500kms on the clock. I want to make it clear I’m not GS bashing, I own a GS and have owned many in the past. When I saw the OP I was a little disturbed because it seems that our case was not a one off.
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  4. Cataract2

    Cataract2 Where to?

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    I'm tending to agree. I ride here in CO and have beaten on my bike plenty with our back country. No problems to report. Add to the fact that I did Rawhyde out here and they abuse the hell out of these bikes and they didn't have anything to say about that.
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  5. Britome

    Britome Get Free

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    Very true that the GS worry beads are always an issue. But Not quite in this situation. This is now he fourth person I know who has had this issue... which is why I'm getting reinforcement clamps milled.
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  6. rattis

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    Naughty naughty terrible BMW for giving us such bad motor cycles, I will write to each any any forum including the KLR because they're also cheap bastards like the incompetents at BMW Motorrad.
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  7. Zevulun

    Zevulun Been here awhile

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  8. wired2008

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    This happened in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    BMW Dealer gave me the new Motorcycle and I was driving on my way home below 5000 RPM as I was in the very first break in phase, I guess I was 45/50 Milles per hour. The street was in not a great condition and the Pothole should have been big but I did not fall . Actually I realized something was wrong a few miles later.

    Today I purchased the replacements inner tubes and the dealer will change it this week.

    BMW Inner tube Spare : U$ 1306
    BMW Service cost : U$ 280

    I wrote to BMW in Germany offering them to send them the bad inner tubes at my cost for evaluation. They did not respond yet.

    My other motorcycle is a BMW Adventure 2010 and I rode 4 times through the Andes mountains to Chile across the worst possible gravel routes and resisted the Potholes and stones without issues.
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  9. Zevulun

    Zevulun Been here awhile

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    How big was this pothole, the bike must have taken a significant hit to do that kind of damage. Is BMW not honoring the warranty because it was a pothole versus if it failed on rough terrain off road?
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  10. Ravedigger

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    It happened to me as well as three other riders I've ridden with. I had my fork stanchions replaced out of warranty at roughly 55k miles. The dealer tried for a goodwill repair, but I had too many miles. I suspect most normal riders won't have any issues, but if you ride hard offroad with gear and/or two up, it could be a concern. Someone from the GS Giants facebook group came up with this not-so-elegant solution:
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  11. Ravedigger

    Ravedigger Been here awhile

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    I had to have my stanchions replaced out of warranty at around 55k miles due to the tube separating from the cap. Someone on a facebook group I belong to also had this issue and came up with the fix below to prevent it from happening again. In addition to the fork tubes, I also had to have the bushings in the triple tree and the head bearing replaced. Overall, it cost about $1900 including labor. If someone comes up with a more elegant method of securing the cap to the tube, I'd purchase it in a heartbeat.

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  12. wired2008

    wired2008 n00b

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    Yes, it was a little hard but nothing compared to the Ruta 40 in the south of Argentina that I made several times with the older motorcycle. After my experience I would drive it different from now on when doing off rode or I may take spares tubes in my next trip.
    The dealer explained me that I had to repair it and BMW would tell me later on if they cover the repair or not. I think that this is the process for Argentina and in US or Europe should be different. I am not discussing the guarantee process, but I would like to know if this was just my case or this has something to do with the recall or with the design ( the older tubes are wider and heavier )
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  13. Bundi

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    Update. I’ve heard back from the guy who had the crash. He asked me to post the following with some photos:


    As the "the guy" that crashed the bike, I would like to add some details for you guys.

    First, the bike was almost brand new when I started riding it. It had maybe 5-6 thousand kms on it and the crash bars barely had a scratch on them. This was a nicer than average GS.

    On the second day riding the bike, I hit a large pothole on a paved road while riding at night. I was doing about 40kms through a section of speed bumps, looking at my gps when I hit the pothole, and it was enough to put a solid bend in the front wheel. After inspecting the front wheel and tire, we found the tire was undamaged and though it lost air during the pothole impact, it was currently still holding air with no problems. We deemed it "good enough" and continued on our way. Had any of us known about this fork crimp weak point, we would have investigated further.

    9 days later, after another couple thousand kms of rough riding, the front suspension dropped out from under me while I was doing around 110kms, standing up, cruising down a straight dirt/rock road. There was no warning, no rock, no moment of "uh oh, I'm screwed." It happened so fast that I didn't actually know what happened at the time. All I remember was feeling the same sensation through the bars that you get when the front end tucks out from under you in a corner. Except in this case, I was going straight. The front tire moved out and to the right hand side, causing the rear end to slide out to the left hand side. The result was a 180 degree low-side. I went from standing and riding, to hands still on the bars, still twisting the throttle, only doing so on its right hand side sliding down the road.

    Luckily for me, I managed to walk away with a mildly fractured ankle and a small hole in my foot where the back tire burned though the inside of the boot while the bike and I slid down the road.

    I've added a few photos. You can see the fork oil all over my jacket and the bike. If the forks would have snapped after the crash, I wouldn't have fork oil all over my belly the way I did. You can see the damaged parts at the bottom of the triple clamp and the top of the fork tubes...

    It seems unlikely that I would have any luck pursuing legal action, but at the minimum, I think its important to share the story with people. I personally don't believe a pothole of any size is a good enough reason for suspension failure on any bike... INSPECT YOUR FORKS, GUYS!

    TLDR; If you hit potholes with your 2016 r1200gs, keep a close eye on those forks.

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  14. LowOnFuel

    LowOnFuel In the crapper

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    Thanks for the follow-up on this guys, much appreciated.
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  15. GAjetmech

    GAjetmech Been here awhile

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    Just rolled the rubber sleeves down and checked mine.
    They are good to go with no gap/separation. I will check these frequently now.
    Thanks for bringing this to our attention and glad the injuries weren't any worse.
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  16. spokester

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    Good luck with your foot, ouch!
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  17. TwoTiredRiders

    TwoTiredRiders Been here awhile

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    I wanted to doubt the story myself, especially as "it happened to a friend of mine", and also in defense of my beloved GSW, but the fallen riders account makes sense about the oil on his belly and other details. However the obvious cause was the rim denting pothole and not just a random oh my front end fell off.
    Evidentially we need to be aware of post impact damage (or would that be post damage impact) to the front ends. Thankfully more details emerged and we don't have to worry about our front ends randomly falling off.
    Get well soon fallen rider. Thank god it was not worse and you have a good attitude. A solid ADV rider.
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  18. Aviatordoc

    Aviatordoc BMW R1200 GSA LC rider

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    Are the stanchion tubes the same on the GSA?
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  19. nobody0101

    nobody0101 Been here awhile

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    Yep. Nothing special about our "Adventure" version of the fork tubes.
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  20. willis 2000

    willis 2000 neo-quixote

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    cap should incorporate a heim joint
    oilheads had a ball joint
    full travel breaks it
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