186 BPM too much?

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  1. 5Chord

    5Chord No Short-Term Memory

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    I'm 51 yrs old and I ride motocross for fun and fitness and recently I bought a Garmin 410 Forerunner watch and heart rate monitor combo. I was a little concerned when I saw my heart rate averaged 174 Bpm and topped out at 186bpm during 4 back to back 5 lap motos.

    My girlfriend says it can't be right and if it is I should see a doctor. I'm not sure what my resting heart rate is, but I feel fine.

    Here's the Garmin activity report: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/314110889
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  2. Dunewar

    Dunewar Been here awhile

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    161 on average is high. How is the breathing? Still able to talk or are you just holding on? What is you rest heart beat (measured first thing in the morning)?

    In any case, a dicters visit as check up when doing high intensity stuff at 51 is never a bad idea.


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  3. 5Chord

    5Chord No Short-Term Memory

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    Can't do much talking when busting out laps! ....Breathing is fine and I feel great after... .I call it my Motobuzzzz:D
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  4. Motomedic

    Motomedic Over-caffeinated Raconteur

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    Back when I was racing bicycles in my youth 185bpm wasn't unheard of, but pretty near my max. Resting heartbeat (i.e. first thing in the morning, before getting out of bed or doing anything) was around 45. When training I tried to stay between 110 and 160.

    Now that I'm old and fat (45 and 210lbs) resting HR is around 60 and if I tried to hit 185 bpm I'd probably keel over. :D
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  5. swimmer

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    Max heart rates vary and personally I wouldn't worry about hitting 186bpm if I were 51 (I'm 41). I'd be more concerned if at 160bpm you felt like you were going to keel over. The biggest factor for you is probably your overall health. Is riding a motorcycle your only exercise? Overweight or other bad habits? The untrained heart hitting high maxes is different than the trained heart doing the same rate.

    I am very fit and have been for most of my life. My resting heart rate now is in the low 40's. My max heart rate has always been on the low side so compared to others doing the same sport. People are different.

    Still, if you are concerned enough to post on here it might be a sign to go see your doctor and get his/her opinion. Don't want to take the issue lightly.
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  6. 100mpg

    100mpg Self Imposed Exile

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    That thing tells you how many calories you burned? Pretty neat. I can't help you on the HB question, I think my resting HB is 140. I gotta quit smoking! :puke1
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  7. fallingoff

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    when I was 51

    fit not fat as I am today

    I used to do hill sprints

    checked, went to over 195 bpm

    when your fit ok

    now 3 years later I think it would kill me

    also if you have done strenuous exercise all ur life

    ur body is used to it

    listen to your body

    maybe go and get a stress test

    cheers
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  8. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    You might want to consult a physician, maybe get a cardiogram. See if there are any anomalies.

    Your max heart rate should be 220 minus your age, so that would be 169. You get a training effect at 80 percent of that number, so let us say appx. 136 bpm. Your number is kind of high. I have two friends that had issues that needed to be addressed, on e by surgery, due to a birth defect in his heart he did not know he had.

    I wouldn't be too worried, but get it checked. And maybe your heart rate monitor is a bit optimistic.
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  9. craigincali

    craigincali Just hanging around

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    If you are concerned about to see a Dr. After the tests you will feel better and race even harder!!
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  10. 5Chord

    5Chord No Short-Term Memory

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    I just found out my resting heart beat is 68 bpm. I'm 5' 5" in reasonably good shape, non-smoker (cigs)
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  11. damurph

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    Adrenalin rush would put your HR up. Any close calls during the event?
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    If you don't otherwise train (cardio) at all- that might be a bit high.

    When I started running again in January, I'd hit 175bpm to hold onto 10 minute miles for two miles and would be out of breath. Four and a half months later, Now I do 9 minute miles, 4-5 miles, and usually max out at 160 or so.

    When we (I'm not that far behind you) were younger, we could get away with that crap more easily. Now, it's riskier. A physical if you haven't had one would be a good idea.
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    DITTO!!!! I've scared myself with HRMs (20 years ago!), get real advice and talk to your Dr.

    All you'll hear around here is "Pin it to Win It!" and Hot tips on which oil to use.....
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  14. wilkinsonk

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    220-age=max HR is not always accurate. For instance that formula gives me a max of 180, yet a treadmill test gave me a max of 188.

    What is true is that if you are exercising at the upper end of your HR you should consult with your doctor to make sure you don't have any conditions that would make the activity contraindicated.

    Also, excessive time spent at the other reaches of your HR can cause bad thins to happen. Often there are effects felt from lactic acid build-up that help cue the exerciser to back off. You may not be getting those cues.

    I'm guessing that if you looked back over your moto and correlated that to your HR you might note that your HR pegged out during a time when you really had to muscle the bike. If you can recall how you felt at that specific time you might be able to recognize those physical cues next time.

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    5Chord No Short-Term Memory

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    Yeah according to that formula I'd be dead.....If you look at the activity (http://connect.garmin.com/activity/314110889) you can clearly see on the heart rate time line where each 5 lap moto begins and ends as well as the recovery period (which is almost non-existent before the last moto). I'm between 165-186 bpm the entire time I'm out there. The track I ride is supercorss-style so there are no times when you can relax at all except in the air. Before I used to ride until I got arm-pump but now I stick it out there for at least 5 laps regardless.
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  16. pvangel

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    5chord, Where do you ride that it is sx around here?
    I am 53 and can def tell if I don't ride for awhile how hard it is to build your wind back up. I'm going to get one of these to see how I do?
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  17. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    Which is why I said approximately regarding the formula, and to go get an exam.
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    5Chord No Short-Term Memory

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    I belong to 10th Street MX in Ronkonkoma. .81 mile track ...Here's a few laps from last summer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQrhWw8AZps $500 bucks a year for non-islanders, $1000 if you live on the island.
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    Last week I took a Cooper protocol maximal VO2 test on the treadmill. Basically you run as fast as you can for 12 minutes and your distance covered is used to measure your VO2 max. It's fairly reliable and the results are close enough to the tests where they hook you up to the respirator that you get an accurate idea of your fitness. During the test I reached a max HR of 188 (when two different formulas put me at 180). When I was 22 I did one of the fancy tests at the Olympic training center in Lake Placid and I had a max VO2 of 66 (which although great was not elite caliber). I'm 41 now and my max is down to 54 so I know my anabolic threshold is lower as well (that the point that your cardio vascular system can no longer keep up with the lactic acid building up in your muscles). Looking at your numbers leads me to believe that you're in very good cardiovascular condition for your age. I say that because you we're working for prolonged periods above what is no doubt your anabolic threshold and you indicated that you didn't suffer too much for it. I'm on an iPhone right now so I didn't compare laps or motos, but I'm guessing you we're fairly consistent on your times? How much did you get slower from moto to moto?

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  20. wilkinsonk

    wilkinsonk soup de grimace

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    Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you were full of poop.
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