1975 Harley FLH to Ural Install

Discussion in 'Hacks' started by warkshop, Feb 20, 2014.

  1. warkshop

    warkshop uncbob

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    A job a did a few years ago. I do this kind of thing 'in shop' only but also have 'off the shelf' mounting kits for the Velorex. You will see some of the standard things i do on all my installs. Sequence of operations is critically important relating to how hard or easy this work is.

    Before you ask "where are the 'finished' pictures, oh how we love them!? Often when i do custom rigging i save the customer money and me grunt labor by having them remove then install their own bodies,,,so i don't have them here for photo op. I may change my way of doing this so i can show you the completed outfits. For now this archival stuff.

    I'll do this in a number of posts.

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  2. gusanito

    gusanito Mindless Wonderer

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    Love those old tractors.

    Did the Harley wheel bolt right up to the hack or did you have to re-spindle?
    As an aside, that bike may be titled as a '75, but that's a flatside motor, last year made was '69. That rear brake is '81 and up.
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  3. warkshop

    warkshop uncbob

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    :DMe too like these old tractors, easy to work, easy to get parts. You are right, in truth the bike is a bit of this and bit of that, i just put 1975 'cause i couldn't remember what it said on the title.:lol3
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  4. warkshop

    warkshop uncbob

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    PS, the owner had already done the wheel,,,if the Ural was 19mm,,,,,old Harley would be likely be 3/4,,ta da!
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  5. Carl Childers

    Carl Childers Ghost in the Machine

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    Earlier than 75 is right although not a whole lot different, the "banana" type brake calipers say 1960's so it's probably one of the early Shovelheads. Headlight nacelle and fork shrouds are gone but few people ever leave their HD's completely stock, that era frame I believe would still have had sidecar loops on the down tubes if some one hadn't cut them off.

    Nice job on the chassis but without pictures of the end results kinda like a picture of a young Ann Margret in here bathrobe, curlers and fuzzy slippers, ya know the end results are stunning but ya gotta use your imagination. :evil
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  6. warkshop

    warkshop uncbob

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    More, i'm trying to use the captions to give you an idea what is going on.
    :D Waaaay back in my youth i had chopper with '68 generator shovel, worn out hot rod motor with rattly forged pistons,hot cam, dynamically balanced crank, Paugho frame, light, aluminum oil tank and Akront alum. rims, it was a light thing and so much much fun to haul butt in the twisties. Lived in Oakview, CA at the time and zoomed up Rt 33 often. Humbled more than a few drug store cowboys on cafe bikes with that unit. I need to scan my old 'hard copy' images and i'll post a few.Always loved flogging an underdog. Still do!:lol3


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  7. FR700

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    Nice to see your flathead keeping the genny shovel company.

    Have fun.


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  8. warkshop

    warkshop uncbob

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    :cryFR700, now you've made me shed a tear, The flattie you see is actually my dearly beloved BSA M20WD, with the very similar looking bags to my ULH. Due to many unfortunate reasons i had to sell the old girl a few months ago,,,the pain! It's is hard to imagine how such a limited bike could worm it's way into my cold, cold heart! I won a bit of 'tinware' in on/off road events with the old girl amazingly! Extremely reliable.

    The dear 1937 ULH is having shiny new sleeves put in it's cylinders for hopefully many more miles of happy motoring! Can't wait to get it back!!!!
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  9. FR700

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    I did notice the full guard on the back and the rear stand. My bad, I figgered it was an earlier incarnation.

    To be honest , Bob, I'm torn as to whether I should speak to you ... you SOLD it !!!

    Nah, it's all cool. My condolences on the M20 as I can empathize. I miss my harley more than I should .


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  10. warkshop

    warkshop uncbob

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    It:huh:D is amazing how odd, high maintenance motorcycles can be endearing. Must be a disease, just with differing sub sets; old motorbikes of all kinds, BSA, Harley,Royal Enfield and of course, Ural! There, now I've offended the Ural folk yet again (far too easy,,,,, so sensitive) and owners of all the other brands.:rofl:rofl
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    warkshop uncbob

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    :DMore,,,,that is it for this one. I see by the low 'view' count that is does not meet the adventure criteria,,,,i am unworthy.:rofl:cry:rofl


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    Keep'em coming, Bob, as your contributions are appreciated. Have you got a front pic' from near ground level , please ?

    As for old tractors not being worthy ...meh, they do alright.


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  13. FR700

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    One of the benefits of having the chair on the left is that for the front lower you can pick up six bolts. Four for the stand , one for the board mount and one for the crash bar. Makes for a solid mount. I took the opportunity to weld a cross brace to the right side board mount that doubles up as the front bash plate mount.



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  14. gusanito

    gusanito Mindless Wonderer

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    :rolleyes

    Keep posting your stuff. I appreciate your expertise and craftsmanship.
    I'm taking notes on this one in case I ever want to hack my '81 FLH-P.

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    I thought making the front lower bracket to fit behind the MC was brilliant, until I looked at mine and figured it wouldn't work with the floorboard. One thing about the old frames, they were beefy enough to mount a bracket almost anywhere.
    The more I look at the bike you're working on, the more mongrely it appears. Late shovel rear brake system, first year disc brake up front, aftermarket oil tank with a panhead filter, S&S, etc.
    Hell, it might even be a pan bottom with a shovel top. :evil
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  15. gusanito

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    Better for the passenger too, with the pipes on the other side. :clap
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    First year Shovel was just that.
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  17. Carl Childers

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    HOW WE WON THE WAR! :deal

    As for old tractors not being worthy ...meh, they do alright.


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  18. kshansen

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    Also keeps them awake when you are pulling out to pass!
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  19. claude

    claude Sidecar Jockey

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    Good pics Bob. One the front lower we usually put a plate on both sides of the bike and run a 1 1/4" tube through them. The sidecar end of the tube gets a threaded insert to receive an eyenut or clevis for the lower front sidecar mount. Yes it does mean that we have to extend a tubing structure out in front of the sidecar frame to allow things to line up better in some cases. No big deal though.
    This is a means we use to sneak around forward controls ands such on many cruiser type bikes. It also gets us away from the exhaust.
    Many ways to skin a cat as they say.
    The cruiser bikes whether from the motor company or wherever can be a challenge many times as so many of them have aftermarket exhausts. If we could find a market for stock Harley exhaust systems we could probably close shop and just go out and ride forever.
    Only wish the exhausts were on the left from the factory.:D
    Again, glad to see you here Bob. We'll have to get together at some point.
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  20. gusanito

    gusanito Mindless Wonderer

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    It wasn't a simple bolt on procedure, as the shovel tops run external oil feed lines. There was some machining involved and new oil line channels had to be drilled in the pan bottom cases to accept the shovel top's "superior" oiling ability. This was usually accompanied by upgrading the pan's oil pump to the shovel pump. Only way you can tell if a flatside shovel is a true shovel, '66-'69, and not a mongrel, is to check the VIN.
    BTW, Harley didn't invent the disc brake until '72, using banana calipers in the front of FLHs until the last '84, and in the rear until early '81.

    Here's a pic of the '69 FL I restored back in the '80s.

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