1999 Gas Gas TXT 321 Opinion

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  1. POWDR

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    I would like to get into trials somewhat inexpensively. I am a wildland firefighter and I have less and less time to trail ride. It would be easier for me to take short trail rides and play around on obstacles since I need to be within cell range and quick turn around time for a fire call.

    So I have two questions

    First- There is a 1999 Gas Gas TXT 321 near me for $2200. I have not yet seen the bike and I have not received info back from the guy on condition. For this price, I feel it would need to be mechanically perfect- engine, suspension, clutch all recently done. Any thoughts?

    My top dollar I want to spend is $2200 (good to go and I don't need to put anything into it for the first couple months).

    So my second question is if any of you have any suggestions on what would be a good trials bike to look for in that price. I realize that what is available is the largest barrier. Luckily my job allows me to travel this time of year.

    Dirty has a Montesa for sale that I would snag, but PA is just a little too far to travel. If anyone has anything or seen anything relatively close to Utah, let me know.

    Thanks for all the help.
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  2. xrmattaz

    xrmattaz sputum is my bread/butter

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    I just paid $2500. for my 2006 Gas Gas Raga, in pristine shape.

    Keep looking, they're out there! And good luck!
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  3. hrdrckclmr

    hrdrckclmr this is gona hurt

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    I ride in the MATT (mid-american trials team) rode in comp for a few years then got out of it for awhile, (sold off everything) couple years ago was missing the fact you can play in you backyard and nobody cares. bought a 99 TXT321 better than fair condition for 1650. It is alittle heavy in the butt compaired to the newer stuff but god the torq is great. So diffently keep looking it is a relativly small market you can be picky
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  4. POWDR

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    Thanks for the info guys. I will be patient. I really want to get into trials it just seems like I could turn the world, or my backyard, into a playground.
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  5. xrmattaz

    xrmattaz sputum is my bread/butter

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    Heck, I've been riding trials for nigh on 5 days now, and am looking for my NEXT trials bike!

    This shite is addictive.
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  6. POWDR

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    That's the kind of enthusiasm that seems to be inherent to trials riders.:thumb

    I can't wait to be a part of it
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  7. Sting32

    Sting32 Trials Evangelist

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    You will find bike prices fluctuate from region to region, so a guy in KS might find one cheaper than a guy in Los Angles (usually). I think the 99 might be a high (you need to counter offer him). Look at the bike carefully. Most people that have these assume that a nice & running bike is worth 2k, where most of us think 1200 and somewhere in the middle is probably right... again west coast is higher than Plains, I dont know why but if you look at many club websites, the average asking price is just higher on both ends of the contenent, just like housing (lol)...


    one thing about the older TXT bikes (vs the pro version out now) is the engine/trans was the same as the 2 stroke enduro/mx with a different tune head carb etc (dont forget to mention different gearing in the trans). so the trials TXT could take some punishment compared to what I want to allow to be done with my PRO (which was everything you have in txt made lighter :p )



    the bike will be a nice beginner bike, should be good through until you start the amature classes or better. even then I still say the old TXT == newer Shercos (well until 09) lol.
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  8. Brewtus

    Brewtus Buffoonery, Inc.

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    I sold my '99 TX for a whopping 1300 bucks two years ago, and it was in very good shape then. You can find a better deal.

    And yes, Trials is VERY addictive. Ask me how I know......:rolleyes
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  9. NMTrailboss

    NMTrailboss Team Dead End

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    OK...How do you know?? :ear

    :D
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  10. MN Yeti

    MN Yeti Been here awhile

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    I bought a 99 TXT 321 back in '06 for $1200. It was in good shape, but not pristine. The one your looking at is worth maybe $1800 if it in great shape and needs nothing. They are a tough bike. Sting32 is right, the older TXT models are perfect unless you need the latest and greatest.
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  11. POWDR

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    Thanks so far to everyone for their responses.

    Thanks to those that have answered specifically about the TXT 321

    I don't need the latest and greatest. In fact, I kind of like learning new things on older stuff and if I ever get skilled then I move on to more advanced equipment. Buuuuuuttt......the latest and greatest can be really nice.

    So Brew.... how do you know:ear Got any sweet pics to keep my stoke going until I find my new toy
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  12. Pro_Marinero

    Pro_Marinero Carbon Sasquatch

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    I just bought an '01 TXT321 for $2k, but it was about as close to brand-new as you could get. A couple scratches here and there from one competition, but it had everything, even the horn and factory tripmeter. Unfortunately, I really hadn't had a chance to ride it yet (after almost 3 months) because I'm trying to find a bigger spring for my fat butt. I'm excited to get it going but the waiting is getting really old. :bluduh


    What the earlier poster said about TXT's taking punishment is spot-on. I just sold my '98 TXT280. That bike was about as bulletproof as you can find, plus the parts are much cheaper than other bikes.
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  13. Brewtus

    Brewtus Buffoonery, Inc.

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    In a nutshell, before 2006: Multiple on and off-road bikes, rode them often. Late 2005: NMTrailbitc...er, boss convinces me to go with him on a trials practice on his GasGas "just to sharpen up my off-road skills".
    Since 2006: Still have the multiple on and off-road bikes (all largely ignored), up to 3 trials bikes (and working on a fourth-I'll find out this weekend), I'm now a board member of the local club, bought an RV for trials weekends, and vacation schedules revolve around regional and national trials events. It. Is. Addicting.

    Any pics of the old GG, NMTrailb....oss? :D
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  14. Sting32

    Sting32 Trials Evangelist

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    FWIW
    the 01 321 (if it still has the stock shock) takes a taperd spring, check out eurodirt, in silt colorado (http://www.thewhimsicalwagon.com/eurodirt/). I bought all 3 springs I have had over the years from that guy, good guy. Another source could be, ol Adrian at http://www.lewisportusa.com/

    I have had the 99 321, an 01 321 and then the 04 300 pro and my current 06 pro. the springs cost about 120 I think, which of course means I bought 3 different springs over the years. they also have stronger front fork springs available. I simply added to the springs in the forks and run heavier oil in the compression fork, really lightweight in the rebound fork.

    I wish I had saved the ones I bought over the years, Id offer to sell you them... but all I have is a collection of stock ones that I replaced, lol.
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  15. POWDR

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    Thanks Pro

    Brew and Sting.....I believe you have a problem....too many bikes. You only have one ass to not put on those bikes- care to sell to someone trying to get into the game:wink:

    OK, you have all been helpful so I have a new bike deal to pose. I had a guy contact me about a 2001 Montesa Cota 315 for $1800 that he says is in great condition. I have yet to see it, but assuming he means mechanically and not just cosmetically is this worth it in the opinions of those in the know. :ear
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  16. Pro_Marinero

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    I appreciate the info. I'll give them a call. The guy I normally use is striking out on finding stuff and I would really like to stick with him, but I may have to move on.
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  17. Sting32

    Sting32 Trials Evangelist

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    Borg,

    Im gonna have to instruct you to re-read my post, noting the "had" in there right at the start! :deal

    Im actually bike poor at the moment, we have 4 riders in the family, 3 bikes... my 15 yo son who lost interest seems to have decided it might be time to try again. Unfortunately we have given the use of HIS bike to the the kid that is dating his older sister. So now I get to be like Team Honda and see who will work harder to ride the 06 125 pro, lol!

    That older bike doesnt sound unreasonable to me for a beginer. note that my riders are amatuer or better, and the kids are light body type, so the older montessa just isnt in my scheme of things for us, but could be just the ticket for you.

    I have some insight to share, there will be "T.M.I.", and I get long winded, so browse onto other threads if you get too bored...


    just so you can see where I come from:

    From an age of 5, I have been riding motorcycles with my dad and brother, by age 6 Dad had discovered Trials. This was roughly 1973 ish. by 1974 we had completely changed our riding thoughts to trials, I was given a TY80 trials bike to replace my XR75 honda. It is a totally different mindset. My brother who loves to ride motocross still, never took to it, But dad & I did, my brother, he still races in Colorado, he's 51 if my math is right.

    I live to, & love to compete at trials. I would venture to say that I live in the best state for trials, Kansas, for at least one aspect, we ride ALL year round, we dont fight the enviro whako's you do in major population areas/ states. And many states take time off for hot or cold months. we dont, you know the only meet that was ever called at AVTA (since it was founded in 1970-something, was because that sunday AM there was a sheet of ice on the roads and it was -20f, it was because we didnt want to risk people's lives on the highways really. Otherwise the trials is on.

    So you might say Im a die hard Trials rider! Well, in the mid 80's I graduated from HS, and trials tapered off by the 90's I got married and trials was over, lack of time and money. I got divorced in 02, started looking to buy a nice used bike, took up trials again.

    I was in your shoes, but again my goals were MOST LIKELY much different from yours. I couldnt wait to start COMPETING again.

    Since all I had at the time was an '80 Sherpa T and dad had his '76 version, that we still rode and still played trials around the farm with. I actually took the old Bul to a trials, and was instantly shown that I was in a terrible disadvantage with everyone else on new bikes.

    Anyway, I had to re learn what bikes were out there, and which one I would want. Rememeber Im not a really a beginner trials rider now, although in some respects I was.

    So, I went back to AVTA a time or 2 and rode peoples bikes. I liked the montessa 315 at the time, as well as the gasgas 321 (the 99 model). I bought a 99 321 from a different club's rider in Missouri (MATT is the club's name). When the bike got home, dad was interested, in fact he was pushing me to start trials again.

    longer story short, I work 8-5, he's a retired farmer, still farts around on the family farm... so he had time to play with my 321 while I was at work, long enough to decide to get him one (the 01 321) and start riding again with me. The 321's were the closest to what we had in the sherpa-t, a big grunting big cc bike, with the new jump-a-rock monoshock suspension. I worked to detune the 321 even more, thicker base gasket, a fatter jet in carb, all made this bike more like my Bul.

    Now it is 8 years later and frankly quite a few bikes have called our garage home over the years. Dad is now 74 and still rides a LOT, travels to ride trials now! in 07 he rode the nationals. in 08 he broke his collarbone getting ready for the nationals (which at his age doesnt want to heal). He swears (and I believe him) that the newer bikes are the best way to go, lighter better etc.. but again, your probably not 74, nor thinking to ride the nationals soon.

    So, would I buy that montessa for 1800? I don't know it is a great deal but it could be a good deal IMHO; if I was in your shoes, and I am only assuming a "kinda want to see what it is about" mindset. My brother might be more like you, we did sell him our older 04 gasgas pro last year, hoping he'll get started soon. Family pricing wouldnt be fair to post here you know... I still feel that the 04 would be worth close to 2500 for pricing. 04-08 are similiar bikes, with year to year tweaks, so the 04 is still pretty viable bike.

    Is it the deal of the century? I dunno, I think you get a good deal now and again, 1800 doesnt sound all bad, probably a little high but who's gonna squabble over a couple hundred, a beat up version could cost 1200 but need 400 in parts.

    Sure that 06 pro for $ 2500 :puke1 that the MATT rider posted up on page 1, pissed me off {joke}, cause I hoped my 06 is worth > 3000 when all cleaned back up, so I can combine the money I been saving to get the '10 raga. Oh well.

    (Hey xrmattaz) See you soon, @ Ken's place!!! (check that, same weekend as our club, Shame on you MATT riders!!! LOL)
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  18. Brewtus

    Brewtus Buffoonery, Inc.

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    Very nice post. I was going to argue with you that New Mexico was actually Trials Heaven, then I got to the point that you do not have enviro-whackos to deal with much in your riding areas. Took the wind out of my sails, that's for sure. Freakin' Prius-driving bunnyhuggers...... :bluduh
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  19. leanin

    leanin Been here awhile

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    Hi Sting,
    I was able to figure out who you are thru the autobiography. :D Your dad and several of his AVTA competitors are an inspiration to us 45+ yr old "young bucks". :D I rode with him the day before the last NEOTT event. He credited his lightweight '09 GasGas for keeping him competitive. But, after watching him ride, I expect he would've won our Sr Am class regardless of what he was riding. He sure is smooth. I didn't see him after the event, tell him congrats on the win.

    Charles
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  20. neilking

    neilking Been here awhile

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    Say hi to your dad for me. I rode with him here in Austin the 20th and 21st of last month. We had a great time.
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