/2 Conversion Thread

Discussion in 'Airheads' started by matteo, Sep 22, 2010.

  1. deafanddiabetic

    deafanddiabetic What? Huh?

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    Well, I left the key in the ignition overnight.

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    Came back to this today. The ground totally melted through the coil, thankfully that's the only thing that took damage.

    Would this be caused by a bad ground? It could be a short but otherwise things have been working for several days.
  2. eldomike

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    Points were closed....lucky it didn't burn up
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  3. bpeckm

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    Yikes....:fpalm

    The /2 and /5 switches are, by today's standards, a little idiosyncratic: push the key down and ignition is ON, then turn to the left and right to activate headlight/parking light.
  4. deafanddiabetic

    deafanddiabetic What? Huh?

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    I'm an idiot for leaving it in, I knew it was live but just made a mistake. Now I'm a little worried to pull the front cover and see if anything got hurt in there o_O
  5. eldomike

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    Typically will just overheat the coil...
  6. Jim K in PA

    Jim K in PA Long timer

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    And kill your battery. Ya got lucky on this one.
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    It's always nice to have my name mentioned couple times when the situation like this happened.
  8. deafanddiabetic

    deafanddiabetic What? Huh?

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    Electronics are not my strong suit, can anybody explain why it would burn up the coil exactly? Like, if you left the key in your ignition on your car, it wouldn't have the same effect. Someone mentioned the points being closed, which of course makes a full circuit. Why would that concentrate on the ground of the coil and not just slowly drain the battery instead? Or adversely, what would be different if the engine was running, wouldn't it not produce the same (if not more?) heat and power in the circuit?
  9. Jim K in PA

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  10. bpeckm

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    The difference with your car: with the key/nail IN on the /2 it is exactly as if you left the key in the ON position in your car. Back in the day when cars had points (nowadays they all have electronic this that and everything else!) the same thing could have happened if you had left the key ON. When running, the points are opening and closing constantly, so the coil is activated and the spark happens when the field collapses in the coil. It is designed to do that, and not to have a constant through-current as when ignition is ON, points are closed, and it just sits there draining the battery....
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  11. Geezerrv

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    Resistance creates heat so maybe that wasn't a really good ground?
  12. deafanddiabetic

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    When I get this melted rubbery mess fixed I think I'm going to add in a few more grounds to be safe. Can't go wrong with more grounds.
  13. Jim K in PA

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    More grounds will have no effect on what happened. You clearly had a very good ground, hence the heat. I posted the diagram which shows the very simple circuit you are dealing with. The coil is a big resistor. The points is the switch on the ground side. The coil is full of oil to keep it cool, so the heat built up in the conductor on the ground side.
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  14. Geezerrv

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    I like Jims explanation best. I often see melted electrics where a resistance at ground is involved was my thinking.
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    There is nothing "electronical" about this. This is basic automotive "electrics".
    Your battery found a "path" to ground, and couldn't "drain"... and you burnt up everything in the circuit.
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    Mine and other /2s don't have fuzes, so would one on the battery + lead, prevent this happening?
    Guess that with 6v need to be a low amperage fuze?


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    This a a lovely looking bike, I think that is a combo of the biggish tank shape, together with way the /6 engine just fills the Frame, making it look very purposeful.

    So much nicer than the piles of Mono Bobshits one sees all over the place


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  18. bpeckm

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    The voltage makes no difference on the fuse size: it is sized to protect the maxiumum current (amperage) that can safely travel the wire without overheating. YES, you can put a fuse in the + lead, and I would recommend that you do it. Your biggest wire is probably no more than a 20A size, and your load would certainly be less than 20 A, so you could put in a 20A fuse, or even a 30A fuse on the premise that you simply want to protect against a short.
  19. Jim K in PA

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    But doing so would not have prevented this from happening.
  20. bpeckm

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    Would not have prevented the points (closed) battery drain.... yes. But what caused the burn in the wiring? That was some pretty hot wires to do that, implying that some pretty good current flow was going on. Not a normal "through the points" I shouldn't think?