2 up trouble

Discussion in 'The Perfect Line and Other Riding Myths' started by dmaxmike, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. dmaxmike

    dmaxmike former quadtard.

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    I have a problem. my wife bitches and says I have to many toys and its all for me and nothing for her. which for the most part is true. but when I try to get her to ride on the back of my Dakar (to share a toy) she is scared shitless because for lack of a better word I suck at it.

    so do I teach or better yet get someone else to teach her how to ride my XT? Or do I find someone to learn how to ride 2 up with that I care much less about then my wife. any volunteers? :wink:

    but for real how do you safely learn to ride 2 up?
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  2. deacon51

    deacon51 Been here awhile

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    Jewelry of equal value...

    Buy a $5,000 bike, buy a $5,000 rock to give her.
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  3. bwalsh

    bwalsh Long timer

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    Is she genuinely interested in riding motorcycles? Solo? If so sign her up for a MSF course. If not, you'll have to get her some toys of her liking.
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  4. Robert_W

    Robert_W Does your dog bite? Yup!

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    Many many many many many many miles and years of REGULAR...as in several thousands if not tens of thousands of miles a year one up riding...before you EVER take some one elses life into your hands. If you aren't putting on regular solo mileage and lots of it then you do not have the skills needed for 2 up.

    Not every one will agree but this is true as a general rule.

    Also having a bike meant for 2 up helps when it comes time. Lots of bikes have pillion pegs but should never be used for 2 up except on a very limited basis.

    And if she's afraid...yeah...jewelry. :wink: Don't force it dude you'll ruin it for ever!
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  5. tkent02

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    Whatever you do, let her off before you dump the bike. Women don't generally see the humor in it.
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  6. k-moe

    k-moe Long timer

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    Get a sidecar.
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  7. Celtic Curmudgeon

    Celtic Curmudgeon Indiana Jones wanabe

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    I agree w/ Robert on the solo practice. Also, a dual sport 650 like your Dakar is a great bike for new rider, but isn't ideal for a new passenger. The high seat height and light weight don't conspire to give them confidence. Also, with a light bike, the added weight of a passenger is proportionally greater. You might consider a more appropriate 2- up bike. The Kawasaki Nomad is notoriously easy to handle 2-up, and can be had very cheap compared to other similar bikes.

    My wife didn't like my Caponord "It's too tall! That's a long way to tip over!", but she's comfortable on my Rocket III. Being a 700+lb bike, I barely notice her 125 back there.

    Also, consider some additional training, such as "Ride Like a Pro". I like this clip of a RLP instructor (who's about a buck ten soaking wet) cutting circles with her 220lb husband on the back...after trading places on the fly.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_WHi--7nrI
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  8. Dusty1013

    Dusty1013 Been here awhile

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    I don't think there is any secret to it. Bikes heavier, you need more time/distance to stop, that kind of thing. The passenger also needs to know not to do anything crazy back there. I'd say you need a good two up bike but seeing how she already thinks you have too many toys that would most likely go over like a lead balloon. When I was sixteen a long time ago I didn't give it much thought. I said hop on, told her what not to do back there and just compensated for the weight.
    I don't know if your wife would be up to riding or not. Some women want to and some like my wife have no desire to ride.
    If you are a new rider you should put some time in the saddle yourself first.
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  9. JayRitz

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    My wife is supportive of my passion for bikes, and occasionally rides with me, but if I were to give her the option of whatever she wanted to do, motorcycling would probably not be her first choice.

    I dunno - I'd guess that if you asked her what she really wanted, she'd probably tell you. It may not be motorcycles, but if she felt like what she wanted was of value, well, that's gonna be way better in the long run for your marriage and your love for motorcycles :wink:

    That advice, and a quarter, will get you $.25 :D
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  10. Conedodger

    Conedodger Wanna Ride

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    I bought my wife an in-ground pool 15 years ago. She doesn't complain much anymore. She has the nieces over to swim while I go out and play. :clap
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  11. tkent02

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    There is a huge difference in who's on the back. My wife, you can't tell she's on there, ever. Even going fairly fast in the twisties, or on dirt, you can't tell. My daughter, much bigger stronger girl, is almost as good, but not quite. You can tell she's there, but it's not a problem. My other daughter, much lighter than the other two, is terrible. Pulls the bike all over the place, you just can't ever relax when she's on the back. I don't know what she's doing back there, we have talked about it, but something is different.
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    Worth every penny I bet!

    Seriously, marital issues are not one size fits all, most wives will ride on the back but no guarantee that they won't hold it against you.

    If you suck at it, don't do it.

    For us, my wife loves to ride on the back but tried riding and hated it. And I'd been riding about 15 years before I met her. Still, after probably 50,000 miles together not a second goes by that I don't think about how much of a responsibility it is.
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  13. Idle

    Idle Been here awhile

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  14. KoolBreeze

    KoolBreeze Been here awhile

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    HOW MUCH FUN CAN IT BE SITTING ON THE BACK OF SOMEBODY ELSES BIKE?

    seriously.

    to the OP: why are you riding in the first place?

    ok now sit on the back of a bud's bike (test of your homophobic capability here) and go on a nice long ride.

    yea I bet that's just freakin awesome. :deal

    I think it's pretty cool there are couples out there riding their own bikes...

    hopefully if she learns how to ride at some point something will "click" and she will be all about it.

    then again... it could all fail miserably. :eek1
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  15. Al Goodwin

    Al Goodwin Long timer

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    My wife and I put over 12,000 miles on our KLR last year. She is an EXCELLENT passenger, sits still, no sudden movements, trust me to know what I'm doing.

    Now, on our new Super Tenere, I can hardly tell she's even back there....she's 125 lbs. or so....

    Just start off with short rides, tell her to just sit still and trust you, tell her to relax and enjoy the ride. Now, for you, start of with slow easy rides, nothing to twisty...but you'll eventually need to get used to the feeling of the extra weight back there while cornering...

    Just take it slow. AND ENJOY:freaky
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  16. SgtDuster

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    What about getting her own toys for herself?
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  17. 1911fan

    1911fan Master of the Obvious

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    Sign her up for the MSF course and get her a tiddler to learn on. Mrs1911fan rides her own 650 when we go out, and I wouldn't have it any other way. It's great!


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  18. ER70S-2

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    Does she have any athletic skills, even as simple as bicycle riding, tennis etc? Teach her how to ride the XT.

    Does she do anything involving adrenalin? Roller coasters, bedroom wrestling :evil, etc.

    Is this your idea or hers? Does she complain when you're gone? Most women don't do adrenalin, reading a book is just fine with them. My buddy and I would take a week long riding trip, once or twice a year. My wife would pat me on the butt on my way out the door and tell me to have a good time. My buddy's wife would go postal, thinking we were going on a week long fck fest at the nearest brothel.

    Decades ago I was a new rider (dirt only), my girlfriend (later my wife) wanted to go for a ride. I told her right up front: "I've never ridden two up, are you sure?" As all girlfriends will do, she said yes, wanting to impress me. So we went for a ride around the parking lot and I didn't hurt either of us. We went a little farther on each ride, jeep roads first and then onto the easy single track that I usually rode. No problems, this is good. :nod By the end of that summer, I was pushing my 360 two stroke (light & pretty fast), as fast as I could make it go, with her on the back. :eek1 She had bigger balls than I did. :deal Next summer we bought her a DT-175 and we rode the White Rim Trail, one of the biggest accomplishments of her life. :clap

    I never dropped us, she believed in my skill. Best passenger in the universe. Then she asked me for a divorce. :eek1
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  19. DAKEZ

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    Take a class. :D
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  20. tkent02

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    Chicks are wired differently.
    My wife rides her own bike on dirt roads, easy Jeep trails, forest service roads. She's pretty good at it, good enough to have fun. Will not ride in traffic. She has seen too much crap the cars try to do from the back of my bike, doesn't want any part of it. Very happy riding on the back, looking at the mountains, animals, pretty flowers, traveling long distance or just zipping around town, whatever.
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