$2000 spent at BMW dealer, bike still not running

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by ebohnet1, Sep 20, 2012.

  1. def

    def Ginger th wonder dog

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    OK, so, you're a skilled mechanic with BMW experience who understands how to correctly diagnose and repair systems on the BMW motorcycle.

    That means, you understand tools and how to use them, fasteners, how motorcycle are held together and taken apart, motorcycle electrical systems, the sounds and vibrations of an engine that is running correctly (or incorrectly) and other aspects of a complex two-wheeled vehicle built by BMW. And you have in your library, the necessary BMW repair manuals and other instructional materials and documents to provide guidance for specific repairs that you may not have carried out in your career. Also, you posses diagnostic equipment to aid you when making adjustment or repairs to electronic/electrical systems on the BMW motorcycles you work on. And, you posses micrometers, gauges and other measuring equipment used to determine clearances, dimensions and other aspects of correct assembly of the mechanical systems on these motorcycles.....so, in other words, you're equipped with tools, skills and knowledge similar to an authorized BMW motorcycle repair facility authorized to make repairs to BMW motorcycles. The only difference is, you're not authorized to have a BMW logo on your front door.

    So, here we have a skilled mechanic who has performed this HES repair previously with no prior experience regarding the specific repair in question who made the repair such that the outcome was a properly operating BMW motorcycle and it did not cost $2000.00 and the expectations of a properly running motorcycle were met or exceeded and whereas, the official BMW Motorcycle Repair Facility in Canada attempted to perform this repair and made the repair unsuccessfully with the result that the motorcycle did not operate and therefore, the Official BMW Motorcycle repair facility began to install additional new BMW parts on the motorcycle in question in an attempt to "get lucky" and achieve the expected result, and whereas the rightful owner of the motorcycle in question realized that this practice was going to cost him in excess of the fair market value of the motorcycle if he did not stop the authorized Official BMW Motorcycle Repair Facility from randomly installing new parts with the attending labor costs.

    Your honor, the defense rests.
  2. LaurelPerryOnLand

    LaurelPerryOnLand Long timer

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    If the HES doesn't fit...you must acquit!:rofl
  3. def

    def Ginger th wonder dog

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    The court finds the party in question guilty.

    Pay the defendant $2000.00 plus costs of court. Also, the court awards additional compensatory damages in the amount of $1000.00 for expenses incurred by the defendant due to the negligence on the part of the BMW Authorized Repair Facility.

    Pay up (in Canadian dollars).

    :clap:freaky
  4. MsLizVt

    MsLizVt pfft ...

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    ebohnet1 et al, hi!

    My heart goes out to you ebohnet1, because I've made similar decisions, and have had mixed outcomes.

    I don't know how many times while riding locally, there has been some sort of noise, or hiccup in the way the bike is running. Sometimes it's been an electrical thing - like the lights going out all of a sudden and coming back on, a noisy transmission, or bike running with a stutter. Those things create doubt in my mind about what's wrong with the bike.

    You know the drill, when the bike acts up, we start going through the symptoms, evaluating the possibilities, then we do the "they all do that" debate, and sometimes we get on ADV to ask for advice. The worst part is when the bike only seems to do this once, and runs great - until of course we're in the middle of a long journey and far from home.

    Most times, even though I knew before the trip, I didn't do anything about the unknown issues. Remind me to tell about my HES going out - twice, once on each bike, or the throw out bearing, or the ground wire, or the starter, or the fuel pump, or the list goes on, while I was traveling.

    In this case, two weeks before ebohnet1 was leaving for his trip to Nova Scotia, the hiccup hit. Asking for help on ADV, as below yielded good results. My guess is, there was still a bit of doubt about whether swapping the HES would solve the problem, mixed with a little bit of belief 'that they all do that'. We do that all the time, don't we, second guess ourselves, with huge amount of hopes that whatever it was, fixed itself?

    For me, the moral of this thread - combined with ebohnet1's thread of two weeks before he left for Nova Scotia - is that the bike won't fix itself, and to deal with whatever it is before heading out on a long journey. There's no way any of us ever want to spend hundreds of dollars for towing, unnecessary parts, and thousands of dollars for hotel rooms, flights, rental vehicles, loss of work, and angst like this.

    Certainly the ordeal with the repair, or lack of repair, done in New Brunswick is awful, and we can all wax on about the dealers mistakes, but it's the decision to avoid a niggling issue, that I'm learning from. We all hope for the best when we're on a trip, but this shows how one issue can mushroom into a horrific stressful experience. Again, my heart goes out to ebohnet1 and anyone else who has gone through something of this magnitude.

    The other lesson for me, is an affirmation of how knowledgeable and helpful the inmates are here on ADV. Listening to their advice and acting on it, is something I'll try to do more.

    Thank you,


    Liz




    ebohnet1's thread asking for help, two weeks before leaving for Nova Scotia.


    The original plea for advice followed by good possible answers, which might have led to taking the bike in for service.




  5. Emoto

    Emoto Sure, why not?

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    MsLizVT, your avatar makes me sweat. :knary

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. :lol3
  6. def

    def Ginger th wonder dog

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    I had 5 Volvos back in the mid 70s and early 80s. The first B21 engine had a Bosch mechanical FI system that was a nightmare (I believe Bosch called it Jetronic). The air module was connected to the engine with a long, plastic hose.

    Volvo finally replaced that 1975 244 with a later model (245) with improved Bosch FI. I really liked that 76 245. I bought a slightly used 76 244 with an automatic. The auto trans never worked very well so I took it to an independent shop that dropped the pan only to find most of the clutch friction material sitting in the bottom of the pan. I was provided a new transmission by Volvo via the independent.

    I have a soft spot for older Volvos. Those B21 engines were almost indestructible. The new ones? Too Expensive.