2007 Sportcity 250...is the debil

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by beltfed72, Sep 6, 2013.

  1. beltfed72

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    Thanks for the links man, mucho appreciated. Breckenridge, huh? I wish I was back in Summit co. drinking REAL Fat tire watching the Aspen trees go crazy. What a terrible assault on the olfactory senses Houston must be after a period in Co. I`m pretty sure this things possessed, Matt Barr and Aprilia tech here in Atl has it at his shop now. He`s sure it`s the TB/ECU assy. and I cant find any used. I cant find anybody parting a scarabeo or sportcity 250...anywhere. Maybe that`s what I oughtta do with mine.
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  2. cdwise

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    Hope you get it sorted. It took some time with my 2007 Scarabeo 500 but that was complicated by the "mods" made by the previous owner who spliced in a stereo, changed the mapping with a power commander chip and some other things that I had undone. I ended up trading it in for a NOS 2009 model with full warranty and got almost what I paid for it as a trade-in. Perils of buying used but our Sports City has been a good workhorse for my husband and so. So much so that I'm seriously considering riding it in the Scooter Cannonball 2014 instead of my Vespa GTS 250 (same engine, small wheels) since its starting in Alaska on who knows what sort of roads.

    FYI, Scarabeo doesn't come in a 250 at least in the US. Sports City shares the same engine as the BV 250 and Vespa GTS/GTV 250.

    Yeah, I prefer Breckenridge but work/family requires time in Houston as well. Aspen haven't changed in Breck yet but shouldn't be too much longer and with luck I'll be riding the BV back up there in a couple of weeks.
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  3. JerryH

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    I have a life, and a good part of it involves riding, driving and working on motorcycles and cars. I am a mechanic, not a computer technician. Not only is working on this electronic crap not easy, it is no fun either, and the parts cost is ridiculous. My Zuma 125 has been up for sale for over a week, and if it doesn't sell for a reasonable price, I have a dealer willing to take it in trade for either a SYM HD200 or RV200. I will lose money, but I will have a scooter that is both freeway legal, and has no electronics. Having a vehicle with electronics just kills the emotional attachment I get from purely mechanical vehicles. My Stella is the least reliable of my three scooters, but it is the one I would keep if I had to get rid of two of them.
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    Sounds like you need to step up your game jerry, "mechanics" are going the way of the 8-track tape...hope you can see the light at the end of your career or it's liable to be turned off for you.

    Sorry man, thats just the way it goes.
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  5. JerryH

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    My official job title is "fleet services technician" and I do have to work on this crap, but it is not fun, plus they have a fortune in diagnostic equipment I don't have. But it's OK, my "career" ends next March 30th. I then plan to supplement my retirement income by working on vintage cars part time. I have already built a reputation in that field, and most people who do that kind of thing charge a lot more than I will. Around here (probably just like anywhere else) vintage car mechanics don't care a thing about what they are doing, just like new car "technicians", and just see it as a way to rip off vintage car owners.
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    Sounds like reputation building is one of your predominant qualities....

    Intereting to note that despite constantly griping about what things cost, you'll be paying your..."frugality" forward by devaluing your own feild of endeavor too by charging below market rates for your own services.

    So, if I understand your value proposition, you are 1) the ONLY vintage mechanic who "cares" what he's doing 2) yet you can charge less than the others 3) you don't "rip people off" like other vintage car mechanics all do...

    Im amazed you can still wrench what with that hand of yours patting yourself on the back like that all the time...
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  7. JerryH

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    Last post on this thread unless it has to do with the OPs question. And sorry to the OP for hijacking your thread.

    I have been doing work on vintage cars on my own for over 15 years here in my area. I care about vintage vehicles (love them actually) and take the time and effort to do the job right. Only twice that I can remember I had someone come back that had an issue, and even though one of those issues was not really my fault, I fixed it for free anyway. Unlike most others, who do this sort of thing strictly for money, and just throw things together (same kind of work you would expect from Walmart or Pep Boys) It is also a hobby to me. I don't have to have the money, but it is always nice to have money. But there is a difference between charging someone a "fair" price for good work, and ripping someone off for crappy work. Most vintage vehicle owners who do not do their own work are either to old or disabled to, some don't know how. Most have been cheated many times, some to the point of giving up the hobby.


    There is no such thing as devaluing the market. At least not on my scale. Even if I did it full time, I could not make a dent in all the con artists out there doing the same thing. However, this, along with many other markets, including the motorcycle market, could certainly use some "devaluing" Prices have simply gotten out of hand, for bikes, parts, and service. Because of the structure of the motorcycle business, most of the people in it are working for very low wages, while the one at the top gets rich. I don't see anything fair about that.

    Capitalism is a great concept. But it is in danger of being destroyed by greed.

    To the OP, don't give up yet. It may not be as bad as you think.
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  8. beltfed72

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    Big thanks to Aprilia for making a 6 year old model completely invisible as far as service/support goes. Another for having Helen Keller write your service manuals. I sincerely hope you pull the plug in America you indignant f%%%. My scooter is totaled because I hit a pot-hole...good job guys.:clap
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    Whatever, personally I've been very pleased with our Aprilia scoots both the Scarabeo and BV. Obviously others don't feel the way you do since I can think of 3 that will be doing the 2013 cannonball - assuming my husband actually does go or if he doesn't that I decide to take the big wheel SC over my GTS.

    But then other than one piss poor dealer in Denver who seems to cause more problems than they solve when I take something in I've had very good service done on ours. We are fortunate in Houston to have good factory trained mechanics and over in New Brunfels/Austin another if we happen to be out in the hill country riding the twisties.

    I will admit that the Denver dealer is so bad we trailered our Colorado scoot back to Houston to repair the damage done by the Denver dealer. Oh well, just means I'll have to ride it back in a week or two. Pity about missing the best part of the riding season in Colorado but at least I'll get to leaf peep taking it back.
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    Sorry, I've been been out riding my Sport City in the Ozarks and was away from my computer for over a week. I really couldn't help you anyway. Electrical issues are not something I'm good at. I have been lucky with my sport city. 17,170 miles and no problems except for a leaky fork seal.

    I will agree that the Service manual is semi worthless and there just isn't much information out there on this model. I wish you luck figuring this out because the sport city is a great ride.
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  11. driller

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    I have been following this. Has any mention of a faulty plug wire or cap been made? Somewhere in my foggy memory, I recall seeing a post about some aprillia/piaggio scoots having a failure after hitting a hard bump. The problem was related to a too short ignition wire that broke or was damaged due to lack of play in the wire.
    Just trying to add to the collection of ideas. Good luck!
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  12. beltfed72

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    Thanks, and actually that was one of the first things I found when looking for common issues. The coil wire is tied to the swingarm (with a zip-tie) so every time you hit a bump it gets shorter. A big bump with a much heavier rider (me) than the PO would have certainly been a great place to start. Unfortunately, this problem had reared it ugly head previously, and aformentioned zip-tie had been cut already. Thanks for the input, much appreciated. I`d really like to find someone with a 2006-2008 Sportcity or Scarabeo they`re parting out. I need the ECU/Throttle body assy.
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  14. beltfed72

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    I just cracked and ordered a new one from Apriliasuperstore. If it fires, yay...up for sale. If it doesn`t...well it doesn`t. I have spent COUNTLESS hours on this thing, wrenching and searching. I need closure, whether it`s $450 for the ECU/Throttle body or a gallon of diesel fuel. I really do appreciate the input, please excuse my disgruntled disposition.
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  15. JerryH

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    Wow that's a lot of money to risk. I can certainly understand your disgruntled disposition. I have under 10,000 miles on my Genuine Stella, and several things have gone wrong with it during that time, including one fried top end. These issues are not the result of design problems, they are caused by poor quality manufacturing and materials. Fortunately the Stella is so simple it is easy to work on and troubleshoot, and I've never had any trouble finding and fixing the problem. I find it very frustrating and disheartening, and downright sad actually, that manufacturers are building bikes (and cars) that the owner can no longer work on.

    Anyway, I hope your investment pays off and you get it going. If so, you will have still gotten a good deal on it. If not, well, it happens. It has happened to pretty much everybody who is into bikes and cars. Sometimes you are going to lose, and it is never fun. Best of luck.
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  16. beltfed72

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    Thanks Jerry,

    I figure it`s worth it, either way. It`s closure, and actually, now that I know what`s what with this bike I may just make some fangled/farkled/frankencycle (which will be carbureted and straight 12v to headlight tail-light) Material quality is just shyte these days no matter what you buy from where. i`m starting to think that all of the good steel is going to China, and since nobody else (especially us) can buy that kind of volume, we get the 2nds. I hope this ECU works, seriously.
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    Like I said, I certainly hope the new parts work, but I would also love to see someone convert a FI scooter to a carb. I converted a throttle body Chevy 4.3 V6 from FI to a carb, and at the same time removed all the emissions crap from it. But it was a fairly involved task that cost over $1500. I had to buy a new carb and manifold (fortunately the 4.3 had been available in a carbed version before the FI came out, so the parts were available for the earlier model) I used headers, and built a straight dual exhaust right out the back. I had to use a low pressure electric fuel pump to supply gas to the carb, and the distributor had to be replaced with a non computer controlled one. The smog pump was removed, and I had to fabricate an idler pulley to replace it, so the serpentine belt would still fit. And of course there was a long list of "little things" but it came out nice, runs so much better, and it gives me a great deal of satisfaction that it is now computer and emissions crap free.

    On a scooter your biggest problem in converting to a carb will likely be the ignition, which is also controlled by the same computer that controls the FI. If the tank is lower than the carb, gravity feed won't work, and you will need a low pressure fuel pump to get fuel to the carb. I thought about buying a used Suzuki TU250 and seeing if I could convert it to a carb.
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  18. beltfed72

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    Thanks to everybody, the ECU fixed the problem. I am scared of this thing now, just too damned complex. I need to change the oil and CVT fluid, any suggestions? If anyone close to Atl wants this thing on the cheap, send me a pm. Thanks again y`all, really.
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