2009 Buell 1125r vs. 2004 Aprilia RSV1000R Factory

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by xshanex, Oct 22, 2012.

  1. xshanex

    xshanex Been here awhile

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    These have popped up locally within $100 of each other and both are very low mileage. I'm looking for character and something fun to ride. I already have a Speed Triple for most of my riding and a cruiser will be the 3rd bike so comfort is not a huge factor......grin factor is all that counts. This will be a 2-3k mile per year bike so maintenance intervals and dealer support are a non-factor for me.

    Does anyone have any suggestions or experience with these bikes?
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  2. bobw

    bobw Harden the phuck up

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    Loved my ape and looked seriously at the 1125 as a replacement and then HD flushed Eric and his bikes out the door. They both share the excellent rotax engine and both have their quirks that wouldn't chase me away from riding either. The cost to insure the Buell was a shocker and I am in all the "best" risk factors for cost considerations, it may be better now, but worth checking as a tie breaker (I have the $$, but I can do a lot of riding on an extra $1K+ a year for a piece of paper showing I am street legal).

    Bunch of good folks on Badweather for the Buell and AF1 for the ape.

    It's win, win. Good Luck and try to test ride both.

    http://badweatherbikers.com/

    http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/forum.php
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  3. anotherguy

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    The 1125 and the second gen Aprilia Rotax are not the same engine. The Buell Rotax suffers some issues from Harley's incessant penny pinching that eventually was the ruination of the brand. The Aprilia suffers none of those issues. And the Ape's chassis is far better than the Buell. Buy the Ape.
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  4. Wolfgang55

    Wolfgang55 Long timer

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    Take a look at the CR, that will make up your mind......no take a ride

    Have the CR & it just maybe the only power scoot that I never sell.

    The EBR floks are the very best at helping you to understand from the factory. Their prices are very resonable.

    Badweather is TOPS. Talk about a support group, WOW.
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  5. waveydavey

    waveydavey happy times!!

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    How interesting. What issues were those?? :ear

    (always nice to have an "insider" speak up)
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  6. ian03xl

    ian03xl Been here awhile

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    Stator failure seems to be the biggest most costly issue around $1500 to fix and no guarantees it won't happen again.
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  7. waveydavey

    waveydavey happy times!!

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    yes, some stators fail (but not all or so I was told) I see that EBR sells a modifed rotor that is said to solve the problem. I am curious about any other issues as I may buy another Rotax motored Buell someday.
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  8. xshanex

    xshanex Been here awhile

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    wow....thank you! I will definitely be checking insurance rates before buying. My speed triple was $375 for the year with full coverage so I may be a bit spoiled and need to account for the cost
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  9. fast4d

    fast4d Long timer

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    2nd gen RSVR had stator issues as well but they tend to last 20k before dying.

    RSVR Factory has awesome chassis and nice oem ohlins. it's not a comfortable bike though. get the tuono for that....
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  10. xshanex

    xshanex Been here awhile

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    thanks for the info on the stator information. The bike has 800 miles on it so most of my worries are about it not being ridden enough
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  11. dmac57

    dmac57 Long timer

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    Both are fun bikes. Performance is probably close; I agree that the chassis of the Aprilia is probably the better starting point. No offense meant to EBR, but they're a tiny operation, and their focus is building new bikes, not necessarily supporting the HD generation bikes.

    So, parts are likely to be an issue with both: The Buell because it's out of production and Harley-Davidson could care less, the Aprilia because the Italians send parts when they want to. That fact was enough to run me off of a NOS Shiver recently.

    So, not much help I guess, just my 0.02. Good luck!
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  12. AZbiker

    AZbiker Crunkin' with crackers

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    $1500 for a STATOR?!? :eek1

    For that price it better come with a hot nekkid chick to install it while I watch. :lol3
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  13. Hughlysses

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    If you take it to a Mothership dealer and pay them to do it, and they have to replace the VR and wiring harness too, probably.

    List price for the OEM stator is around $600. Guys on Badweb have been buying re-wound stators (using higher temperature rated wire) for ~$150 or so. The Erik Buell Racing rotor, which includes an oil jet to cool the stator, costs $425 BUT that includes a refundable $250 core charge:

    http://www.erikbuellracing.com/store/models/1125cr/2009-2010-charging-system-rotor-modification.html

    There's a whole sub-forum dedicated to this issue at Badweb:

    http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290431/646530.html?1351380095

    Yes, it's a problem, but you can permanently fix it for <$500.
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  14. dmac57

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    :eek1

    OMFG. That might answer the question for me right there.
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  15. Av8rPaul

    Av8rPaul Have bike will travel

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    I had a 2008 1125R which was an excellent motorcycle. There was an updated flash to the ecu known as the 062 flash which worked exceptionally well, I could get 40mpg on the hwy keeping it under 80. The 2008 model had NO stator issues. There was an update for the clutch cover if it leaked. I put Ullyses pegs on mine for a little more leg room (I'm 6' 3") and some soft luggage for weekend trips. 3rd gear good for 40 to 120mph in the twists (so I've heard :D) Mine had a blemish on the instrument cluster glass so I got an updated 09 cluster with gear indicator under warranty.

    [​IMG]
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  16. Hughlysses

    Hughlysses Long timer

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    Remember that most of that section was generated before EBR came out with the rotor with the cooling jet. People were trying anything they could think of to eliminate the issue.

    The problem only really applies to the 2009 & 2010 models that have a higher output stator than the 2008 models. The Mothership's "fix" was a dealer bulletin that installed a supplemental wiring harness and ECM re-flash that cuts out one phase of the 3-phase stator at low speed. This may have helped slightly but the problem still occurred. Some people swapped to the lower output 2008 stator and rotor which seemed to fix it; others tried aftermarket voltage regulators. All that experimentation and frustration with Harley Davidson for not coming up with a solid fix led to a LOT of posts on the subject.

    If I was considering buying one (again, I owned a 2009 1125CR for about a year), I'd just factor in the cost of the rewound stator and EBR rotor to the equation and make my choice of which bike to buy based on that. It's even possible the bike's already had the mod, so it wouldn't hurt to ask.
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  17. xshanex

    xshanex Been here awhile

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    Aprilia was gone when I went back to take a closer look.........life is super rough and my brother just gave me his naked 2003 sv1000 since he has a young daughter and no time ro ride
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    Hell that'll do the job very well.
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  19. omnivore

    omnivore SuperSportTourer

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    In 29 yrs of riding, the last 21 of them being sport bikes mostly, out of the huge shitpile of bikes I have had the opportunity to pilot, the 1125 CR is the 2nd coolest bike I have ever ridden. Period. An absolute riot. Awesome motor, brakes, suspension, sounds, feel. Everything.
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  20. kilroy1

    kilroy1 was here!

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    Damn I miss my 08. If it was not for medical issues that prevented me from riding it I would still have that Bastard. It was one of the best sport bikes I have owned. Comfort, speed, handling... it has it all.

    Beautiful Bike!

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