2011 bmw g 650 gs fork failure

Discussion in 'Face Plant' started by antiquewidow, Jun 22, 2011.

  1. Max Kool

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    I want to know how the dealer will react to the TS.

    Any update?
  2. Fraser01

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    Hey Antiquewidow

    Sorry to hear this has happened, you would have thought that after years of experience from the F650GS single they would have got it right second time round!

    I seriously hope you get everything sorted!!

    Do you have a wider shot showing more of the front end of the bike?

    Regards

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  3. antiquewidow

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    Thanks for all the support & info
  4. lemieuxmc

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    Call for Skipro... Skipro to the white courtesy phone.

    Showa has made millions of forks over the last 50+ years and how many of them have you seen break off like this?

    I've been riding since 1967 and I've never seen any breakage like that except on these BMW's.

    Do you suppose that Showa is making these forks to BMW's design and bid specs?

    Do you think that BMW went to Showa and asked for the best forks they can make for use on a world traveling adventure bike that is the flagship of the marque, or is it possible that they wanted the cheapest possible thing to stick on their entry level, low end machine, and betting that most buyers won't ever ride it hard enough to stress them (and that's why the slightest flaw in casting or machining results in catastrophic failure)?

    You are damn right that riding can be dangerous, and that's why it's a really bad idea to use the brands historical reputation for extreme durability and quality to sell an inferior piece of crap to unsuspecting noobs (like you perhaps?) who are paying a premium price that implies fine German engineering!

    You strike me as the kind of person who might like to invest in a deal I have for some waterfront property in the Everglades at an especially good price, just for you!


    PS for ChiTown; "and agreed with the outcome of the investigation"
    What was the outcome? Did they find that the crossover brake hose was prone to catch on the knobby and throw you to the ground?
    How many fork failure crashes are there that we don't hear about?
    If a GS crashes in the forest and nobody hears it, did it really happen?
    If you weren't wearing a helmet cam, would BMW have told you "Saugt, um Sie!"?
  5. tmotten

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    I'm thinking along those lines. A large enough momentary force during the crash after the seperation.

    I hate the litigation culture that's growing world wide, but BM is just to plain arrogant to fix this worrying issue. Sure, there aren't many and only a few that we know about. But it just plain shouldn't happen. Rather have the rear end fail than this. First the parts get changed without any word on this. Then certain cases get settled with gag orders, it goes away for a while and now it reappears. Still no recall or word from BM. How long did it take for Toyota to take notice of their last big issue?
  6. skierd

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    Very glad you don't have any lasting damage to the body! No such thing as a 'low' speed crash, unless its in first gear on dirt, they all hurt a little.

    Hope you get the bike figured and taken care of...
  7. pilot

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    Okay, all the name calling and general dickery will be dealt with in a manner you don't want to see. Knock it off. :dog
  8. antiquewidow

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    My report is filed at NHTSA as of today _ I also referred back to the earlier investigation.
  9. WayneC

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    Re BMW / Showa

    BMW like other manufacturers run zero defect contracts with suppliers, this was well covered over at the Hubb forum some time ago. If the problems were as a result of Showa design / manufacturing then you could rest assured there would be a recall as it would be to Showa's cost not BMW.

    As for forks being "off the shelf" fork lowers in particular are machine specific & not a standard item.
    Axle & caliper mountings are a good part of the reasons for this.

    The general conclusion is that the forks are a BMW design manufactured by Showa to order.

    Re parts

    A check and cross reference reveals there are now 3 part No's for each of the complete fork legs.
    A new Part No will appear for the black 2011 fork lowers at some point.

    All fork legs & lowers are interchangeable over the entire production period of F & G Models 1999 to 2010. The fact they are interchangeable indicates the mountings etc are all common & the Part No change is for some other reason, possible a casting change.

    The axles, LHS & RHS wheel spacers, Yokes & Fork Brace are also common to the entire F & G Series & the original parts are shown as superseded in the fiche

    Details are below
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    F650GS & Dakar 2000 - 03 Model R13
    08 36312345823 SPACER BUSH (LHS)
    09 36317650586 FLOATING AXLE, FRONT (superseded by 36317705569)
    11 36317661196 SPACER BUSHING, EXTERIOR - ZNS (superseded by 36317705571)
    01 31422345799 FORK BRACE, BLACK, LOWER (Yoke) (superseded by 31427726772)
    02 31422345800 FORK BRACE, SILVER, UPPER (Yoke) (superseded by 31427726765)
    07 31427667279 STABILIZER BAR WITH THREADS (superseded by 31427729244)
    01 31427678481 LEFT FORK SLIDER
    01 31427678482 RIGHT FORK SLIDER
    01 31427676377 FORK LEG LEFT - SILVER (superseded by 31428520347)
    01 31427676381 FORK LEG LEFT - SILVER
    01 31427676378 FORK LEG RIGHT - SILVER (superceded by 31428520348)
    01 31427676382 FORK LEG RIGHT - SILVER

    F650GS & Dakar 2003 - 07 Model R13

    08 36312345823 SPACER BUSH (LHS)
    09 36317650586 FLOATING AXLE, FRONT (superseded by 36317705569)
    11 36317661196 SPACER BUSHING, EXTERIOR - ZNS (superseded by 36317705571)
    01 31422345799 FORK BRACE, BLACK, LOWER (Yoke) (superseded by 31427726772)
    02 31422345800 FORK BRACE, SILVER, UPPER (Yoke) (superseded by 31427726765)
    07 31427667279 STABILIZER BAR WITH THREADS (superseded by 31427729244)
    01 31427678481 LEFT FORK SLIDER
    01 31427678482 RIGHT FORK SLIDER
    01 31427676377 FORK LEG LEFT - SILVER (superseded by 31428520347)
    01 31427676381 FORK LEG LEFT - SILVER
    01 31427676378 FORK LEG RIGHT - SILVER (superceded by 31428520348)
    01 31427676382 FORK LEG RIGHT - SILVER

    G650GS 2008-09 Model R131
    08 36312345823 SPACER BUSH (LHS)
    09 36317705569 FLOATING AXLE, FRONT
    11 36317661196 SPACER BUSHING, EXTERIOR - ZNS (superseded by 36317705571)
    11 36317705571 SPACER BUSHING, EXTERIOR - ZNS3
    01 31422345799 FORK BRACE, BLACK, LOWER (Yoke) (superseded by 31427726772)
    02 31422345800 FORK BRACE, SILVER, UPPER (Yoke) (superseded by 31427726765)
    07 31427667279 STABILIZER BAR WITH THREADS (superseded by 31427729244)
    01 31427678481 LEFT FORK SLIDER
    01 31427678482 RIGHT FORK SLIDER
    01 31427676377 FORK LEG LEFT - SILVER (superseded by 31428520347)
    01 31427676381 FORK LEG LEFT - SILVER
    01 31427676378 FORK LEG RIGHT - SILVER (superceded by 31428520348)
    01 31427676382 FORK LEG RIGHT - SILVER

    Model R131 2010+
    MaxBMW has no PN for Forks or fork brace only listing consumables, axle, yokes & spacers

    08 36312345823 SPACER BUSH (LHS)
    07 36317705569 FLOATING AXLE, FRONT
    08 36317705571 SPACER BUSHING, EXTERIOR - ZNS3
    01 31427726772 FORK BRACE, BLACK, LOWER
    02 31427726765 FORK BRACE, SILVER, UPPER
  10. Barance

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    Firstly, sorry to hear about the crash and scary pics, my GS is 2 weeks old!

    I am pleased though to see Chitowns response as this shows that not all the G's have dodgy forks. Mine has 500km on and I will be checking my forks for any issues however it is reassuring to see that thier one hasnt broken after 2500 moderate offroad miles.

    I have read the whole thread and will have to reread it however was the fork failure the actual definate cause of the crash or was it an affect of the crash? As one poster notes the axle looks bent (or is it just the angle of the pic), I expect this happened as a result of the crash as I cant see it would have been able to be ridden like that.

    Bike with only 95 miles on in my opinion would have new tyres that still need to have great care taken especally with a new rider.

    The earlier fork issues were from memory pre 2003. Since then the F650 single has travelled many thousands of miles in the remaining 7 years of production and I am not aware that the issue reappered on the twin spark models.


    I also will be interested to see what the dealer and BMW and the traffic authority report back on this, which I assume they are aware and have had an opportunity to investigate ?
  11. Barance

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    Check your forks manufacturing date..

    I have looked and my G650GS has a date stamp on the inside of right fork leg, mine was produced in late 2010. So the G does not have old pre 2003 forks on it they are newly manufactured.

    This isnt to say there might not be an issue but they are not old forks put on the new model.
  12. lemieuxmc

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    "I am pleased though to see Chitowns response as this shows that not all the G's have dodgy forks. Mine has 500km on and I will be checking my forks for any issues however it is reassuring to see that thier one hasnt broken after 2500 moderate offroad miles.

    I have read the whole thread and will have to reread it however was the fork failure the actual definate cause of the crash or was it an affect of the crash? As one poster notes the axle looks bent (or is it just the angle of the pic), I expect this happened as a result of the crash as I cant see it would have been able to be ridden like that."

    Chitown didn't seem to grasp the concept that (A) non-defective forks never break like that, even when slammed down from a great height or at speed into something solid (B) the OP wasn't going fast and didn't hit anything.

    You can "check" your forks all day long, and maybe it will help you maintain a mental security blanket to assuage your nagging fear that you may have spent a pile of money on an inferior product that could get you killed. The hard truth is that unless you take them apart and conduct electronic or radiographic NDT, you have no idea if you are the poor Joe who happened to get the bad part. The outrage here is the forks are so very minimally adequate, that the slightest flaw in the casting or machining can result in CATASTROPHIC failure!

    You might not know any better, but I guaran-damn-tee you that the engineers and management at BMW do... and THAT'S unexcusable!
  13. antiquewidow

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    NHTSA ODI number is : 10409875

    It should be available for viewing within 3 business days.
  14. antiquewidow

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    Here is a wider photo of the front wheel, I forgot who requested it.
    Obviously there was NO MAJOR IMPACT where I hit anything.


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  15. antiquewidow

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    You can "check" your forks all day long, and maybe it will help you maintain a mental security blanket to assuage your nagging fear that you may have spent a pile of money on an inferior product that could get you killed. The hard truth is that unless you take them apart and conduct electronic or radiographic NDT, you have no idea if you are the poor Joe who happened to get the bad part. The outrage here is the forks are so very minimally adequate, that the slightest flaw in the casting or machining can result in CATASTROPHIC failure!

    You might not know any better, but I guaran-damn-tee you that the engineers and management at BMW do... and THAT'S unexcusable![/QUOTE]

    I fully agree that it is UNEXCUSABLE, I bought a BMW due to the fact that they were durable; and it was an enduro meant for country roads etc. Was I ever so wrong.

    Whether this be a one time incident or the twelve doesnt matter. What does matter is that this happened in the first place. And not only to me but many previous.

    There is no excuse that a $9400 vehicle with 95 miles meant to be ridden off n on the road should have this type of fork issue at all.

    Those who pad their pocket at the cost of others lives should be ASHAMED of themselves.

    To all the G650Gs owners out there, I wrote this board in good faith to for worn you that this has happened to me and to be careful and please check your forks during pre inspection... I did not want to see it happening again. I unlike others was thinking of someone other than myself. I also wanted to write about my first accident (the first down ) - as so many of you have.

    I am totally disgusted with the pointing of the fingers, the in your window accusations etc that have been directed at me thru this post.

    Although it was a low speed incident - it was one that has caused tremendous emotional & physical damage to me. No I didnt break any bones but that doesnt make it any easier or any less hurtful.

    I too loved my BMW G650GS and was very proud to of owned one BUT after this incident and what I have learned -- I will NEVER EVER own another BMW bike again...Especially knowing all that I know now.
  16. eepeqez

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    The price of the bike and the mileage are irrelevant; a 10 year old Chinese pit bike bought for $200 should not have this kind of fork issue. It is avoidable and completely unacceptable.

    It is also undoubtedly a mistake.

    Because I can assure you as an engineer, that no one at BMW or anywhere else, knowingly designs a vehicle component which will fail in such a way.

    No one set out to "pad their pocket" at your expense.

    It has been said that an engineer is someone who can make for one dollar what any fool can make for two dollars.

    Very very occasionally we stuff up; we introduce some unforeseen failure mode.

    This is what vehicle recalls are for.

    No one wants recalls, but we want a world that doesn't do recalls when necessary even less.

    There's been lots of speculation here about the cause of your failure and quite a bit of blame flinging, but now its got a NHSTA number, you can be assured that if there is an underlying systematic fault, it will eventually result in a recall and replacement of suspect parts.

    Rather than swearing off of BMWs generally because of your experience, perhaps you should look at the recall rates of the available vehicle manufacturers and swear off of those who have the highest rates?

    Or perhaps consider how many BMW forks have broken unexpectedly in the manner that yours has versus how many have been mashed or otherwise run down by errant car drivers, and recognise that your own riding and the drivers around you are far greater sources of danger than this very rare catastrophic failure.

    I can understand a reluctance to ride on the same design of fork before we've reached an understanding of why yours failed, but not an outright rejection of all products from one of the world's better vehicle manufacturers.
  17. henrymartin

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    Yup, my 09 G650GS has been driven long, driven hard, hit potholes, ruts, roots, rocks....the only thing that went bad with the bike was the brake fluid, but then again, i wouldn't expect it to last with as many water crossings as I did. BTW, the bike didn't even cough when I had water coming over the handlebars, it did not complain on a 4 day, 2400 mil trip, It didn't mind getting winched from the mudhole I stuck in...
    I went down from a 1200 bike to this little 650 and I'm very happy with it.
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    I'm a little late in this thread but.... That is not a faceplant, that's a nightmare!


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  19. Barance

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    as per my earlier comment, can this be confirmed please?

    As I own one of these I need to know for my peace of mind please..

    I cant see any bike road damage to the right hand side of the bike in the newer pictures shown, I assume the bike toppled to the left? even though the right fork leg broke?
  20. Barance

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