2011 Bmw R1200r

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  1. JimVonBaden

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    From what I have seen so far, way less than half will have a radio.

    Price you suggest is about $2k high.

    But mostly I agree with your point. The roadster is a totally different animal than the RT. Better handling, same luggage if desired, and lots of fun to ride!

    Jim :brow
  2. Mr.Goose

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    about 300 model year 2011 RT's in the US currently, over 200 of them got the radio on board.

    "most in the US will have a radio"
  3. DiabloADV

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    Ducati is dropping the S models. They aren't selling. $2k for low-end Ohlins wasn't attracting buyers. There are bunches of Monster 1100S models on sale right now...$3k below MSRP.

    Feedback to Ducati from buyers was that people were largely unhappy with the Ohlins bike, for the price. Too many people wanted the springs swapped out for softer ones. Customer relations problems... the 1100 is now one model...the EVO. Same thing with the Hypermotard.
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    First time I've been called a Gentleman in some time. ;-)

    But...you're right. I was back and forth between a Triple and a Monster and finally had to admit that those bikes were not my riding style. I ride around with a tank bag or top box half the time. Anything more than a 20 degree lean in a corner makes me pucker up, and I couldn't pop a wheelie if I tried.

    The R12R is the Goldilocks bike for me. Another good choice woulda been a Harley XR1200, but I'm not a Harley guy.

    New, though...I'd have a hard time paying $15k+ out-the-door for a standard. If I were buying new, I'd be back looking at a Trip or Monster and spend some money on risers/barbacks and a more comfortable (higher) seat. It's not hard to turn a naked hooligan bike into a standard...
  5. mrbreeze

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    I like the r12r. I have always balked at the price of a new BMW. I have never been able to bring myself to pay over $10,000 for a bike. Any bike. It's just a mental thing I guess. Never paid over $20k for a car, and in fact I stay as far away from there as I can! they're all bad investments - but having said that, with the recent rise in prices of the Japanese bikes, $15k for the R12R doesn't seem so bad. At least it's more reasonable than it was a couple of years ago.
  6. Des

    Des Been here awhile

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    I think that R12R is nice too. I rode a GS with the new twin-cam engine and really liked the motor, it'll go well in the roadster IMHO.
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    i'm curious where you got this information from. people not happy with the Ohlins products? the springs have much to do with preload and suspending a rider's weight, while the damping adjustments have much to do with feel. as for the price differential, the S models (Monster, Hyper, **98 bikes) are typically equipped with Marchesini Forged Aluminum wheels as well. i really find it hard to believe that one of the great, race bred motorcycle manufacturers is going to abandon these parts on their upscale bikes.

    hmmm....maybe it's time to ask my friend at DNA to see what he's able to tell me.
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    Well, there are still two Hyper 1100 models (plus the 796, of course): the EVO and EVO SP, with the latter not only having uprated suspension and various carbon bits, but also a substantially revised geometry (a consequence of the suspension + bar raisers). The difference is huge (and the price gap is again $3K).
  9. JimVonBaden

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    You probably have more experience than me, but on slightly older bikes I know of very few that do. Likely the first run of any new model year is loaded up with options. This is the BMW norm. Tell me the stats at the end of 2012.

    What are the stats for 2010, and 2009?

    Jim :brow
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    first it was ABS, then is was ESA, and now it's the radio.

    2008 and 2009 it was more like 1 out of every 10 RT's was a radio bike. Then we saw the K1300GT come to the US with only one package - Loaded.

    It's the shape of things to come, more and more of the bikes imported to our market will be Premium models regardless of which model they are. It lets them streamline produciton, simplify ordering, and assure consistant inventory control. Control the supply, control the demand.

    The good news is it will help the brand retain value better than the rest - which if you've been watching the rest of the brands in the market - are slipping lots.
  11. mrbreeze

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    :huh

    It seems to me, the more it costs, the more you are likely to lose...
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    not exactly - example:

    my father drives a 2X4 chevy avalanche in PA - dealer had to get one from SC or FL to satisfy him - long story.

    he's coming up on 100K and might want to trade/sell it, guess how much less his truck is worth compared to all the other 4X4 equipped trucks in his area?

    A loaded BMW will always be worth more than the other sport touring bikes in the category because they will have more on them. Simple.
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    It comes from visits I had with two dealers. Both had the same complaint...customers that have bought the 1100S came back and complained that the suspension was too harsh. The dealer then has to eat the cost of a spring swap and tinker with the bike on repeated visits. When is the customer happy? When the Ohlins shock is finally tuned to ride just like the stock shock. The customer is happy, but the techs in the shop just roll their eyes that the customer coulda been happy -- and $2k richer -- by getting the stock bike.

    The problem isn't with the Ohlins, per se. It would seem to me that the Ohlins shocks on those 1100S models have been mis-spec'd. I weigh 175 and, with the preload dialed all the way out, I could only get about 15mm of total sag (from "wheel off the ground" to "me sitting on it"). That right there is a non-starter. That shock needs to be taken off the bike and either re-sprung or at least have the fixed preload moved out a few turns. Plenty of people would just go ride it and after a while, begin to just not like it.
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    A single spring is not sprung for the masses, maybe for those in Europe perhaps. Hec, I can't tell you how many springs I've replaced on my motorcycles, it's just part of what us performance minded riders do. Such a common thing, really.
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    and also remember ESA II has spring rate adjustment in 3 settings, achieved through an elastomer spring stack moving in and out of the assembly.

    sounds kinky don't it?
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    It does - and it works brilliantly. :deal
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    Oh!

    They finnaly put the new mill on it!

    It is all one needs!
  18. mrbreeze

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    If you pay $20,000 for a BMW and it depreciates to half it's original value, you've lost $10,000 to depreciation. On the other hand, if you $10,000 for a Suzuki, and it depreciates to $2000 - you've lost $8000 to depreciation.

    So yeah, the used BMW is worth more - but it still cost more in depreciation.

    I've had this same conversation with the local BMW dealer a few times. :lol3
  19. Towjam

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    At the moment, the only non-radio equipped RTs that my dealer can pull up in the locator are low-suspension models. All others - including those currently in transit are equipped with a radio.
  20. Mr.Goose

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    Bigger question is if you'd enjoy the BMW for the extra $2000 depreciation. Would it be worth it?

    Let's compare an R1200R and a Bandit 1250 (naked standards 2 vs 4 cylinder and the BMW costs almost twice), so used value on the BMW in 2 years(it'll have a year of factory warranty left, same as a brand new Suzuki) will be like a Toyota Tundra and the Suzuki will be valued like a Chevy S-10. You'll pay more and still get more.

    Every new Bandit 1250 I ever sold (two of them) were $2000 or more off retail. We had to give them away, which is a shame because they're a great bike. Not a single R1200R (more than a few) got discounted at all. So most of this is market driven in the first place. Only so many come in every year. (suzuki didn't send 2010's because shops were choking on inventory).

    You won't be able to add any value to the Suzuki since it won't have any warranty, bags, heated grips, on board computer. Factory options count for something - that's what I'm trying to emphasize.

    Aftermarket stuff doesn't - it "eye in the beholder" type stuff.

    And none of it's a big deal if you don't notice the difference between the two. I'd almost buy the Suzuki except in two years I know I'm gotta hate the suspension and brakes because of that crappy fork and rubber brake lines.

    Then you have the saturation in the market. We'll find more cheap Suzuki's around and fewer cheap BMW's. And both will sell to whoever needs them.