2012 BMW G650GS Sertao Owners

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by Psychout, Dec 8, 2011.

  1. nylon2000

    nylon2000 Wanderer

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    Hi guys, am back in UB after a fun 6 days. I will spend some time on my bike today and report back!

    Thanks for helping BalletBiker (my +1) figure things out.
  2. KeepItUp

    KeepItUp n00b

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    My bike came with PIAA off road hologen lights. I installed the Skene Design driving lights so I can be better seen in traffic.
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  3. Motopsychoman

    Motopsychoman Not a total poseur

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    Good for you. I only joined recently.
    I'm slightly older, but have been riding for almost 35+ years. Best advice is to get comfortable and only push a little past your comfort zone each time. The Sertao is a little heavy for a beginner bike, but very well behaved and forgiving. It has enough but not way too much power.

    A few words of advice --
    When riding on the road, you aren't paranoid: they really are out to get you.
    Years ago someone complained about a $600 set of leathers and was told that it cost less than 1/2 inch of skin graft. Armor is cheap protection.
    Treat your bike well: There is very little of it between you and the pavement/lack of pavement.
    And then there is always the motto about $20 helmet for the $20 head. A friend asked me if they make any $10 helmets.

    Welcome.
  4. DomEOD

    DomEOD 'murica

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    Details! What happened! ?
  5. Motopsychoman

    Motopsychoman Not a total poseur

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    Let us know what you find. I've put many vehicles back together with duct tape, JB Weld and metal coat hangers.

    Good Luck.
  6. KeepItUp

    KeepItUp n00b

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    Thanks for welcome and the advice. I am being very defensive in traffic. On country roads it's more enjoyable. I have yet to take it off road other than my back yard. I did get good helmet, jacket and gloves.
  7. KeepItUp

    KeepItUp n00b

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    So far my longest ride is 1 hour so didn't have to call doctor:D

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  8. DomEOD

    DomEOD 'murica

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    All you need now is good boots and pants!
  9. nylon2000

    nylon2000 Wanderer

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    OK, here's a better update:

    After a tankful of 76 RON, which caused some epic knocking (helpful advice on how to ride to minimize that), I gave the bike some lovely, highest quality out here, 88!

    Mongolia has caused my bike to vibrate apart. While there are tons of nice fields to ride over, a lot of the dirt roads are terribly washboarded. Things that have fallen off or come loose: tool tube fell off, windscreen fell off, exhaust came loose, bash plate screw fell out, fork triple clamp knut fell off and lost, gps unit vibrated free, cheap padlocked vibrated itself apart! umm, im sure there's more...

    And then there's the sand. I was down near the Flaming Cliffs, and tried to cut across directly towards the town of Altai. Bad move, as after 20km i found myself in mini sand dunes. Very soft and with my K60s (swamp - stay clear), i was revving hard to get the bike to move at all.

    As a result my clutch plates are worn out. That seems to be it.

    I couldnt get any traction, and couldnt get the bike to move.

    So, and here's the fun part:
    - i walked about half a day to find the nearest nomad
    - stayed with his family for 3 days, managed to use their cell phone to call the capital city
    - bribed the receptionist in my last hotel to send a family member in their mini van to pick me up
    - the driver and his cousin drove 1,100 km round trip in 46 hours, straight, changed the oil on their van 9 times (no joke!), and eventually after about 5 or 6 days, i'm back in UB, and will order the plates today.

    Fun times, and yeah, as swampy said, i did ask for adventure! I have however, had more mutton fat and camel milk than i ever want to see in a lifetime.

    Will post some pictures of falls (of course) and pics later.

    NYlon
  10. Aquatic

    Aquatic Long timer

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    Epic.
    You either tell the tallest tales, or you are having a serious adventure.

    looking forward to the pictures and eventual ride report.
  11. kdennan

    kdennan Been here awhile

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    Glad to hear you're ok NYlon!
    Wifey and I will donate to Wine to Water today after I get some funds transferred into my paypal acct.
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  12. nylon2000

    nylon2000 Wanderer

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    Guys - any leads on where i can get clutch plates? Apparently the country of Germany has zero in stock! Am not getting much luck with the UK, and am waiting on the US to reply...

    Anyone? People are quoting me 2 weeks to order, and then 1+ weeks to deliver.

    Failing that, what are my backup options? Is there a way to "re-energize" worn plates? Maybe put some spacers in the basket to push the plates together more?
  13. WayneC

    WayneC Long timer

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    Check the clutch plates, my research showed the steel plates in the later models were thicker and they used 1 less plate, you may be able to get a kit for the earlier model and reuse the metal plates you have and only the fibre plates from the kit

    Beyond that some of the EBS resellers should hold stock of EBC plates, EBC UK were very responsive to some research I was doing a while back and they may be able to point to who has stock
  14. swamp

    swamp U lie&yo'breff stank

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    If all else fails ... you can use screws between the plates.... if all else fails . You can also try roughing up the plates if they appear to be "polished". Like someone else mentioned

    Thanks for the heads up on the k60s . Pretty sure no tire hooks up in sand dunes though!
  15. ausbaxter

    ausbaxter Been here awhile

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    the pirelli scorpion mt21 do a great job in really deep soft sand, we have no shortage of powder sand in western Australia and they are the only set ive found that give reasonable mileage and good soft terrain traction.
  16. windowto

    windowto Long timer

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    Nylon,

    First of all, happy to hear you are fine! It does look like your adventure will just keep on going for a while. I checked with Max BMW and none of the stores has the plates. Furthermore, none of BMW warehouses in the entire US has them. I just have a thought that maybe you can use the plates from a Dakar, since it is supposedly the same motor. However, the part numbers are different. People that have more experience with it might want to chime in. But, if the Dakar plates are usable, you might have a few more options in your search.

    As for squeezing a little more out of the original plates, you might want to use thicker oil, rough up the plates with coarse sand paper, make sure you have play in the clutch lever (no pressure on the lever at all), and use the clutch only to get going,- shift gears without using the clutch. Keep the clutch engaged and as cool as possible. No off road and no uphill. All off this, of course at the risk of getting stuck again.

    One more thing, in many countries, where parts are considered much less disposable than in our western world, there might be services to renew the friction lining of the plates. One more direction...

    Let me know if I can help.
  17. windowto

    windowto Long timer

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    P. S. And after thinking a little more, I am leaning towards: you might have glazed the plates (as someone mentioned), as opposed to worn them out. In other words, you still have the thickness of the linings, but the linings are so smooth that they provide little friction. This usually happens from overheating. The surface just melts and is smoothed by the metal counter plates.

    Again, roughing the surface would get you going, but you would have to work pretty hard at it since the glazed surface is very very hard.

    I am hesitant to suggest any kind of washers, screws, or anything else that redesigns the original clutch. These kind of fixes usually get you stuck worse than the original problem.

    Good luck!
  18. Trane Francks

    Trane Francks Been here awhile

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    Don't forget scenery of the female persuasion! You epically failed to deliver last time. :deal

    Glad to see you're all good. Dang, that IS an adventure.
  19. Motopsychoman

    Motopsychoman Not a total poseur

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    Nylon,
    If the clutch just slips helplessly under no load, it's probably worse than polished. The only way to improve matters is replace at least the friction plates or increase pressure by adding another plate. If you add a plate, then your hand will wear out.
    If it slips as you apply power, roughing up the surfaces may help.

    So far I've found this Lucas clutch kit:
    http://www.wunderlichamerica.com/motorcycle/F650GS-M/8510012.html
    I'm still looking for an EBC part number.
    Not sure about delivery.
    I'll keep looking for you.
  20. swamp

    swamp U lie&yo'breff stank

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