2012 BMW G650GS Sertao Owners

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  1. slider162

    slider162 Been here awhile

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    Sertao was delivered today. Sunny and 34° this afternoon and got 40 miles in. Hand warmers work very well. Tires are strictly street tires. Michelin T63s are in the garage. No real complaints to speak of so far.
  2. alskee750

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    Ok, I went to BMW site but really dont get much info as I wanted to.. This will be my first attempt on owning a new BMW 650. Now my question is can everyone define each model, I'll give it a shot and tell me if I'm wrong.

    - G650GS Sertao (Dual purpose), 21' front/17' back/ more suspension/spoked rims

    - G650GS aluminum wheels/ lower suspension

    -F650GS aluminum wheels/lower suspension/ 800cc motor????

    Can someone help me out, was thinking of getting the Sertao but I dont like that it only comes white.

    :evil
  3. trainman

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    The Sertao has a 21" front and a 17" rear and the 650 GS has a 19" front and 17" rear. Biggest different in the two bikes is the suspension with the Sertao, it sets taller in the seat and will have a little more suspension travel off road. The tires and wheels can be a deciding factor if you what to ride the bike in rough rocky terrain, big front wheels (21") and spoke wheels are the determining factor here, but aluminum wheels have tubeless tires something else to think about. Now for me the Sertao is just one sexy looking 650 big single bike and I like it. Remember buying a BMW is buying a bike with a name, for the money you are spending there are many other bikes out there that will outperform the 650 BMW's. The question you asked about the BMW dealers sales staff, yes you can come out of the dealership more confused then before you went in is true in a lot of cases. The F650GS is a two cylinder bike, why is it called a 650 and not a 800, who knows, but I don't want to pay for a 800 with 650 decals on it, would you. Last, go set on the Sertao at the dealers showroom and when you upright the bike notice the weight, now think about picking up the bike off the ground when you fall over trail riding, now try the 650 GS, any difference.


    John
  4. alskee750

    alskee750 Been here awhile

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    good call John, will sit on both and see what the difference is and feel. A bit of history from me, I owned a XR650L so I know how it feels picking up a pig! I've taken the XR in some NJ sand and also PA's muddy rocky terrain. Of course w/ my luck it got stolen from me and I will probably never see it again. I currently have a DR250 so if I really want to hit it hard in the dirt I'll take that one out. I also own a Triumph bonneville which I've been trying to transform it to a dual sport monster. The bad thing is, I feel I'm creating frankenstein. I've owned it new from 2001 and it's probably seen all kinds of roads and even some track time :evil. I just think it's time for me to move on from the retro cool to a more suitable off road/on road motorcycle. I like the tall seat height of the Sertao, as my knees are not the same anymore :eek1. Of course the deciding factor is the price, as my budget cant go any higher to justify a BMW 800 or a Triumph XC.

    Decisions, decisions..
  5. trainman

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    Remember buy a bike for how you are going to ride it, plus a bike that you can keep up with your friends on. That is, if they are all riding 400-450's they are going to blow you away on your BMW 650 well unless you are on a 650 X-Challenge, or you are a great rider. I look at the 650 Sertao and the GS, both single and duel cylinder bike as road bike 1st and off road 2nd, not the other way around. Your XR650L was probably close to 50 lighter then the BMW's you are looking at so you know where you stand. I'm 66 and I think the Sertao will work just fine for my riding style today, I'm not buying it for a mudder, in fact I don't even want to see mud, or sand. Good Luck,

    John
  6. alskee750

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    John,

    How would you compare it to your KLR? I really dont have many riding partners, except a few friends w/ KLR's. I do mostly city commuting but would like to take her on the occassional dirt paths, even maybe do a few big bike dual sporting events here in the NE that I can ride to and fro. I ride rain/cold really doesnt matter. Does anyone know if this bike can handle 80mph highway riding all day? I dont do two up, it's just me as the wife doesnt really like riding.


    :ear
  7. eanth

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    If it's the same motor and gearing as my 03 Dakar (I'm guessing it is), no problem. The motor loves it there. Done it many times on the slab when i needed to cover a lot of ground.

    eanth
  8. trainman

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    I'm a KLR guy at heart as I have had four of them over the last ten years (95,03,04,08) and I still have an 03 that I ride today. Let me say here that all were great bikes and I don't think I ever spent over $100 on all of them, this not including farkles that I have purchased and moved from bike to bike. If you look at the dollars that you are going to have to pay difference in the two bikes, I would put my money on the KLR for sure, there's no way you are going to get $4000 more bike out of the BMW, but you will get more hp and better fuel mileage, plus service work, parts, and farkles will all cost more. When it comes to running 80mph both bikes will do it, I would change the counter shaft sprocket to a 16 tooth on the KLR, on the BMW I don't know what the stock sprockets is to change it to. Do you really want to run 80mph all day on a single thumber.

    John
  9. alskee750

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    John,

    No I didn't mean I would be running all day 80mph just wanted to know that it could handle it. If I only didn't find the KLR ugly I would get one, no pun intented. But thanks for your help John, much appreaciated.

    Alex
  10. Durden

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    Update please! What was the rough out-the-door cost? I'm in Canada so it wont directly translate, but curious how different the MSRP is to OTD price.

    And post some pics when you get a chance. :evil
  11. slider162

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    The online prices are a bit deceiving. The online prices, at least at my local dealer, did not include the $500 delivery cost or the $250 add-on for heated grips. So sticker was right around $9,500. I got them down to $9,100 before taxes.

    We got 4" of snow last night, but I hope to get out this weekend and get some pics. My heated gear finally arrived so as long as the roads clear up, I will be good to go. The bike did come with a 12v Powerlet port. It is hidden down by the engine, not up by the rest of the controls. I got a Powerlet to Micro USB cord which works nicely to plug my phone into for GPS and Pandora which works well with a Bluetooth headset.

    The heated grips work great and the bark busters do a nice job keeping the wind off of the hands. I drove the 45 miles to work on Monday. It was 19³F out when I left and my heated gear had not yet arrived. My Joe Rocket Alter Ego 3.0 Jacket and 2.0 pants worked great to keep me warm.

    I had the Shark Evoline Series 2 ST helmet, but decided to return it. It was too heavy and noisy. I have a Shoei Neotec (just in stock as of yesterday) and a Arai XD-4 on order. They should be here today to try.
  12. trainman

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    This probably won't help you with prices, but in Ft. Worth, Texas the list price is $9449.00, in that price is the destination charge and the heated grips which are included on the factory sticker, the dealer here will add our state sales tax (6.25%), license fee ($40.00 per year), and a dock fee charged by the dealer to do the paper work (around $50.00). Note this list price could be discounted somewhat by the dealer, but I have not pushed the dealer for a price, because I think I will wait till BMW has some good incentives on their bikes before I buy. I would think that since the Sertao is a new model for this year that they will not be eager to discount, but let me say that the Ft. Worth dealer has not sold one to date and they got theirs the second week on January. I would say that they are not lined up out the door to buy the Sertao, when it's a $10,000 Dakar.

    John
  13. mamm

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    I think the sidestand is too short even for my "regular" G, nevermind a Dakar/Sertão...
  14. Arpad99

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    First time on this section of adv rider. Normally post threads on the northern territory pages.

    To the point, just got the new Sertao having only been released in Australia about 1.5 weeks ago. The bike come with a standard two year unlimited milage warranty and can be extended to four years unlimited milage warranty. Does any no what kind of milage the 650 is good for, before the engine starts needing work done to it. And by milage I'm talking about km's.
  15. Sparqq

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    That engine doesn't need work on. I have a F650GS Daker, almost the same bike only different plastics with 85.000 km on it with no serious problems. The weakest link on the engine is the water pomp i've replaced it twice now, but don't worry it will notify when has to been done and starts dripping a bit of watter on the exhaust.
  16. wmcghee

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    I had a deposit down on a new Sertao. It was finally uncrated and built so yesterday I went to check it out. I was disappointed to see how BMW decided to wire their heated grips on the Sertao. The wiring lead is attached to the outside of the throttle! At worst, it's a failure waiting to happen. At best, it's a constant reminder of poor design. BMW also used the small, thin rubber foot pegs. I wonder where else they decided to cut corners and save money? I've read many ADVers wish for better front forks. Honestly I'm crushed. Why couldn't they charge $1000 more and do it right? The bike did not meet my expectations so its back to the drawing board for me.
  17. Durden

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    I noticed that too, but its a dualsport so the aesthetics of the heated grips didn't bother me, but the forks and pegs did. Actually, the biggest downer for me was the hand guards were pretty flimsy plastic, i'm thinking they would snap if the bike is dumped. Still, i believe they wanted to keep the price far enough away from the F800 to prevent the Sertao from cannibalizing sales.

    I liked it, but im not quite sold....yet.
  18. Benjah

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    I wonder who will be the first to mod the new Seratao with yamaha USD forks, decent handlebards, TT peg relocation and real barkbusters?

    I think it would take some stones but would sure make for one good looking and handling bike :evil
  19. twinrider

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    No kidding, BMW could probably have done it for far less than a grand and sold more bikes as well.
  20. nomad5326

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    Ive got a 2001 Dakar w/65000 miles on it to date. I have not yet done the fork upgrade but have ridden one (I'm on progressives) . I can tell you, if you buy the new Sertao/Dakar and immediately do the fork and shock upgrade I don't think you'll be looking at another bike, to include the 800 or 800XC. Unless you want more HP. My bike has ONLY been in the shop for tuneups, and changes...thats all w/ZERO problems.