2012 Dakar full already!

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  1. Trang

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    Less than three months after enrollment opened, the bike category for the Dakar is already full, with an even broader and balanced range of nationalities for the 2012 edition, which will start on 1st January in Mar del Plata and finish on 15th January in Lima.

    The dunes of the Atacama or the Argentinean canyons which have graced TV screens during each month of January for the last three years are attracting more and more adventurers from the four corners of the earth. In the space of several weeks, 310 enrollment applications for bikes and quads have been received by the Dakar organising teams, who have decided to restrict the category to 220 vehicles for reasons of safety and comfort.

    Such an influx of applications had not been seen since the last African editions of the rally. In addition to the impressive overall figures, analysis of the applications also reveals a broad range of profiles and nationalities. The South Americans who are still discovering the Dakar will once again be present and will be accompanied by more French, Italian, American and Australian competitors.

    The organisers will now put in place a selection process, focusing first and foremost on the sporting accomplishments of the riders, whilst including a share of experienced riders who boast the necessary technical and physical qualities to succeed in the challenge of their first Dakar.


    http://www.fullnoise.com.au/news/in...=10841&Ntitle=Rallye: 2012 Dakar full already!
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  2. shrineclown

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    Not as many that had been hoped for...:cry
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    When is the official list up? (have not seen one yet)
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    the entry list wont be out till Nov like usual, there's no rush to enter for the factory guys and they wont put up a list till the factory guys are in
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    I thought that at the Dakar workshop we went to they said that the official list would be out much earlier this year in recognition of the number of overseas entries and the fact that they were expecting many entry applications to be turned away. I seem to remember Chris saying it would be around September.
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    There's a little anomaly for the privateers to deal with...

    On the one hand many "privateers" have to start preparing, building bikes, budgeting, raising revenue and so forth NOW (there are multiple threads about riders on here - many who are inmates - and the preparation they are already embarking upon ) in order to be "at" the event come race day...

    Seem's a bit tough for the battlers to have go through the "hoops" only to find in November that they didn't make the "draft".

    With the increase in subscriptions (and reduction in accepted start numbers) the last few years... wouldn't you think that the "cut" could be announced and published (at least for the privateers) a little earlier?* (The september date that JayBo mentioned seems a little more realistic... still a tight timeframe for the privateers to get all together if they wait till that point in time for the "green light" though?)

    So Cyril, Marc and the rest of the top 50 all know they've got a spot on the list and the bases covered logistically... but for positions 100 thru 220 on the "waiting list" it must be a pretty tough pill to swallow, be begin planning, training and budgeting (purchasing) towards you Dakar endeavour only to find that you don't end up with a spot on the dance card?

    Waiting and watching the for the various "inmates" confirmations with expectancy. :lurk
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    Many 'rejects' seem to be solo riders, running selfsupported with a create...

    Sign up with a team seems to increase the chance of a starting spot...

    Rob van Pelt (8x times on a bike) didnt make it either, I think this is due to the limited amount of 'self supporting' spots...no?
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    Getting the mail that you're in from ASO and the ASO publishing the list of competitors in fall is two different things, is it not?

    You have to send in the funds in May anyway and should get your letter around now. The List is for the journos and pundits later on.



    If you want to know about who's in and who's not, you're checking ADV anyway. :D
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  10. shrineclown

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    That is correct, unless that has changed too. The accepted entrants got a letter well before the list was published to help them with logistics. IIRC, Jenny posted her letter in her thread last year if you want to try and find it. I would assume since some of the folks know they were not accepted, that some type of notification has been put out already.
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  11. PPiA

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    When I did it, (may have changed) I had received a confirmation letter on June 13.
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    Yes letter of acceptance comes about now

    Official entry list is published in November once the factory boys are sorted. Their entries dont close till start of Nov so for sure no published list will come out before then.

    It appears that the rejected entry applications are being notified first this year

    :eek1:eek1:eek1:eek1 I am totally stunned that Rob van Pelt got knocked back, he usually is the top Malle Moto runner and often in top 20 finishers


    well if there are limited spaces for moto competitors, riders bringing assistance crew and assistance cars = more euro to ASO than a malle moto rider.................so yup there's the selection criteria right there I'd say. Certainly cant be experience or skill based on van Pelt's rejection.

    Anyone know if Kemal Merkit entered again and if he got accepted ??
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    Are they paid immediately the entry fee?
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    11 Australian entries were nominated and 2 have been rejected by ASO, so maybe 8 or so Aussies on the start line come January 2012 :deal

    20 moto start spots have been reserved for factory nominated riders..................................so that will make around 220 moto starters, back to the size of the field in 2009 :clap
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    Okay then... so the volunteers that did not get a spot in the firing squad, have recieved their letters of "sorry you did not make the cut.." sometime about now... And those that are accepted recieve notification of same...

    And the "official" list (with all the hollywood names") is published in November...

    So... who do we know is "in" (inmates, clued up insiders etc.?) Unofficially... of course!
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    :brow A synic might be forgiven for thinking there was something to your theory SafariBerg... :evil

    Once upon a time (in Africa) the (TSO/ASO) calculation went something along these lines; :deal

    "All riders private or factory accepted on this grand adventure... (but we 'ope that no too many make past day 7... as we 'ave not packed enough jambon et fromage sandwiches...") :shog :lol3

    Today is a new day... and a new calculation apparently... With the media/corporate glory and economics that the event now enjoys in Sth America... the (read between the lines) message is; :deal

    Welcome to the DAKAR rallye... where the spirit of competition and the ideals of the privateer are still alive and well... (please bring all your motorhomes, team busses and as many service personal as you wish...) :hmmmmm
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  16. dakardood

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    I don't think it would be panning out like it does these days if Sabine was still around.. The original essence of the Dakar is slowly getting lost. Its the privateers that make the rally.
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  17. PPiA

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    I agree.
    So glad I went when I did. I think it was the last year for first entered, first accepted.
    I doubt I'd ever been able to have a go at it if I'd waited any longer.
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    I agree with both of the above observations... But I am not sure if you can blame* the DAKAR
    (*or maybe "change progress" is what i mean...?)

    I think this is a "natural evolution" of what is a very strong (still growing?) trademark. The DAKAR has always (since mid 80's) been well supported by the factory teams in both the Auto and Moto categorys, and these teams have traditionally stood for what was the majority percentage of the "money" that allowed the event to function.

    In the hey day of the 80's and 90's it was largely the huge armada of competitor vehicles, service logistics - and of course the sheer number of press - that Puegeot, Citröen, Mitsubishi and of course the sponsors TOTAL - brought to the event; that provided the revenue/turn over to make the whole circus viable. Since 2000, it has been the brands of Mitsubishi, NISSAN, VW TUAREG (RedBull) BMW X-Raid and KTM - who in conjunction with their sponsors - have "paid the freight" for the greater portion of the DAKAR extravaganza.

    Despite the PR deptartmet waxing lyrical "in memory of Thierry Sabine" etc... the reality is, that since big business (le Monde) has been involved, in many respects the privateers have merely been there to "make up the numbers"... anything else is just romanticised sentimental PR for the enthusiasts benefit.

    With the move to Sth America, the DAKAR has increased it's market potential fourfold! The worlds pre-eminent desert rally on a continent where there is enormous media and sponsor potential, COUPLED with a enthusiastic sporting population; with money in their pockets to spend!

    It's a bonanza for ASO! And in the same situation, what business would not like to be in a position to market their product at a premium pricetag and STILL have to turn away customers because they are over subscribed?!!

    More than a "betrayal" or selling out from the traditional (privateer) values of the DAKAR, I think it's more a reflection of the Bernie Ecclestone business model; build a strong trademark, position yourself to a point where you have a monopoly, promote the begeezus out of it, and make a packet!

    It's a business as much as a sporting event these days... and like so many other "professional sports", this has got to open up a market for a second tier of events immediately under it, that cater to those riders/teams who don't make the cut for the premier league?

    Nearly every form of professional sport the world over ;the NFL, Icehockey, footbal (soccer), basketball, rugby... even MotoGP and F1, have "Div 2" leagues where the "double A" pro's compete... many of them aspiring to make the "big show".

    Maybe this is where the "other" rally raid events around the globe - in future - are going to make inroads... not by being a compliment to or emulating the DAKAR... but by offering as an alternative, (in the event that DAKAR continues to become a more specialized and professional team oriented race) rallies for the competitors that do not posses the means to play in desert F1?

    :ear
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    No doubt about it, however the 'Trademark' is becoming just that to those of us that the original concept appealed to.
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    I'm just waiting for the Tour de France to head down to South America :rofl
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