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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by 996DL, Aug 2, 2011.
Freight I can live with but a $265 doc fee is crazy.
This doesn't make sense because it would seem if you wanted people to get people used to something you'd want to make it unobtrusive, not make it obvious. If I was snarky, I'd say they probably haven't figured it out yet
My '09 BMW 12GSA pulses the lever and pedal, My '02 1150GSA does not pulse the pedal or lever. You only feel the brakes locking/unlocking when the ABS activates. Maybe BMW hasn't figured it out yet either. I'm only joking. Harley is just starting with ABS so I would say it will evolve as it did with BMW.
I agree that IS excessive!!!
Where I work we go ahead and issue plates for the bikes at time of purchase and we do charge for that as it too is a real cost for the electronic filing fee"... People don't mind that one as it keeps them away from the DOL.
What is an electronic filing fee"? I am seeing this all the time now.
It is a fee from the Department of Licensing that he State charges for the dealer electronically filing and issuing the license plate at time of purchase. Money well spent in IMO.
I buy a few used bikes and go to the DMV all the time. I don't mind it. Still, I would pay a reasonable fee to have the dealer do it for me. Maybe $50. But, this dealer wanted the DMV fee + something like $150 for getting me the plates PLUS $265 doc fee. I couldn't even find out what that was for except "paperwork".
Anyway, sorry for that tangent on the thread. - The switchback is the first bike in a long time that got me thinking I might pay full ticket and get a new bike. I know a lot of guys like the bigger HD stuff or a Sport bike or something else but for me, a 57 year old short guy who enjoys easy riding, this is a perfect model. It just feels so nice to ride.
Also, a couple of recent 3 day trips involved minor bike issues that required me to find dealers. The HD motors are, from what I hear, pretty bulletproof and, what' easier than finding an HD dealer?
I think this model is gonna be a hit but, only time will tell.
Give it a few months JerseyBiker... HD is behind in production and will catch up soon. As soon as things settle you should be able to buy one near the MSRP.
How about considering a Fly & Buy for next Spring. ??? I will hook you up and pick you up at the Airport... Have your first service scheduled and paid for at the dealer of you choice and you could enjoy this beautiful country of ours on your way home.
When I worked for 2 HD dealers freight cost the shop around 250.00.
I saw several dealers who were nearly charging double that amount...and adding the "prep" which was a recent MMI graduate on an hourly wage working 2 hours.....20.00. I would bet my next paycheck many dealers continue that same rip off.
I think the Switchback will sell briskly at first, then drop like a ships anchor in water...much like the XR 1200. History repeats itself with this type of model...see the FXRT, Dyna Convertible with detach bags, and the FXDXT. I like the Switchback..I went to my dealer last week and checked it out..even bringing my GF to sit on the bike and see if the passenger seat and pegs would be comfortable with the bags. All good.
My decision now..do I ride my FXDC until the Switchback starts dropping in popularity and sales...and they drop the prices (see XR1200) or do I give in to temptation and purchase in the Spring.
I bought my Street Bob in April of '09. Right at the beginning of the riding (selling) season. I got it for MSRP + $250 doc/registration fees. No freight or set up fees. I could have saved some money by waiting until the end of August or September when the new models start hitting the dealers, but I enjoyed riding the summer on it. No regrets.
I bought the SB in Tn and live in SC. I know what a pain it is for out of state dealers to deal with the SCDMV. The paperwork had to be sent in 4 times before it was accepted. So I didn't balk at the doc fees. I bought my '09 GSA in Daytona and they gave me all the paperwork so I could walk it through myself and it was easy. My '02 GSA was bought in Charlotte and they used a title company in Ohio. They got frustrated with the SCDMV and just quit trying. I had to call them myself to make it happen.
Not exactly....hard bags are standard. The leather bags are $250 less. MId-height windshield is $550 still well less than the ABS option and now you're comparably equipped.
Also the hard bags are removable The hardware holding them is not conducive to riding without them though it does make cleaning everything easier.
Can't argue the dealer network or resale, What I do know is that you won't need the dealer much if at all and resales everywhere are in the toilet.....
Fit and finish? Subjective, but I find it more than satisfactory.
Now that would be sweet. Pick up an HD and ride it home cross country!
We'll see what next year brings.
Unamed dealer to the North of me has Freight and Document fees over 1200! That's across the board. No switchbacks in sight yet.
One dealer in CO tried to charge me for that... but you can't do it in CO.
I laughed at him really hard.
I was in Daytona Harley a few weeks ago and the price tags had MSRP + $1900 in extra charges:eek1
When I was pricing Street Bobs it seemed like all the SC dealers were charging $750-$1400 in "fees" +MSRP. I have a place in Tn and I bought in Maryville because they didn't tack on a bunch of "fees". No offense to anyone that works in a dealership or owns one, but MSRP should have enough profit built in for a dealer to make money if they sell enough bikes. I look at the out the door price, I don't care if they charge $1200 in fees if they reduce the price tag where it works out the same.
Anything over $100 in fees is a complete rip off (talking about prep and doc fees). $100 is still a rip off, but HD dealers have not been hurt enough to not charge them.
Uke's HD in Kenosha during the buell closeout had a flat out the door price. the $50 F**K fee for the doc was included, but no other prep fees as they just took the crate off and rolled the bike out the door. That kind of fee I can handle, but anything else is just another reason not to buy HD. They also gave you 25% off anything else in the store, so I was able to buy a condor wheel chock cheaper than anywhere without shipping cost.
Fees for the dealer are pure profit. Big shiny dealerships with large show rooms filled with bikes cost money. That money is paid for in near MSRP prices and then having the balls to charge you near/over $1k in F**K fees.
I don't think Harley dealers are the only one that adds fees. When I price shopped for my DR650 I gave them a bottom line out the door price and let them divide up where the money went. Most shops have fees but depending on the bike and time of the month and how close they are to business plan those fees are negotiable.
I've got a name for them!