2012 KTM 350 freeride

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  1. Ramv

    Ramv Been here awhile

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    As a previous TLR200S owner, I think the major downfalls of that bike was:

    12hp (or 13)
    drum brakes
    trials like seat
    terrible suspension

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    My dad still has the bike and uses it on his ranch to herd cattle. Outside of the brakes, it was an awesome bike. He has an XT250 for road use though.

    A well sprung, better powered, decent braked replacement is what I want. I do need the HP for highway use, but thats it.
  2. theMISSIONARY

    theMISSIONARY hunting and riding!!

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    What is the KTM 350 Freeride for!?

    this sort of thing

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  3. John Ashman

    John Ashman Adventurer Wannabe

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    Well, if you do the calculations, a theoretical US price would be $7500.

    That kind of puts it on the cusp of sanity. But you also have to wonder how many people would choose it over other machinery in that price range. I guess the weight is the main attraction, not the highly tamed motor.
  4. skierd

    skierd Wannabe Far-Rider

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    With the WR250R sitting at $6590, $7500 for the KTM that should, in theory, have a better suspension and more importantly 80 less pounds to haul around, would absolutely be worth the extra coinage if the reliability and other stuff were similar.
  5. flatboarder

    flatboarder Been here awhile

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    This is something I am going to check. Service intervals, engine durability and things. Well, I actually do not expect it to reach the WR250R level (valve clearance control 40000km :D ), but I hope it will be a low maintenance bike.

    But there is one more point which is very important in my opinion. The WR250R engine characteristics is more or less high rev operation. Though it can be ridden at lower revs at enduro tracks, this does not compare to for instance a Tricker 250, which has got way better ridability at low rev level, running both softer and stronger, making it easier to play at very slow and difficult passages or climbing difficult stuff. In other words, the WR has got some MX style engine more or less, also well suited for onroad riding, but not optimized for slow trail riding, climbing, playing. I am sure, KTM put some effort in optimizing the 350 engine for the Freeride intended use.

    Due to the fact that I need to sell at least one of my Yamahas to be able to purchase a Freeride, it will take some time to do so. Maybe I will skip the first edition and get hold of a 2013 model and check user reviews before that.
    However, the Freeride matches _exactly_ what I have been searching for for several years. Neither the Scorpa T-Ride (with its old carburated YZ250 engine) nor my Tricker that I had been riding for three years could come close.

    To me, pricing of the Freeride appears to be absolutely ok for what you get. For those who do not like to spend that much money for that much technology and riding fun, there are different bikes available with higher weight, old engines, weak suspension, old style looks, whatever. But I am not aware of any bike at the market immediately comparing to the new Freeride while being streetlegal and durable. Lets see. :evil
  6. bluesman

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    I want one so last Saturday I was on EICMA and looked it over.

    Excellent. Just what I need. I loved all about it - featherlight clutch, position, weight (I lifting rear part with 1 hand on rear wheel), looks, specs - just what I dreamed about. I do prefer long-serving 350 cc 24 bhp as I am offroad novice.

    But price! 7200 Euros, this is when new 692 cc 70 bhp Duke 690 costs 7500!!!

    No, I can't say I pleased with that. I had to cancel my plans to buy one.
  7. flatboarder

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    You are right, that is kind of strange (although the _new_ 2012 Duke is really ugly. They should have kept it in 2011 shape).
    The Freeride BTW is EUR 6995.- officially in Germany. However, we will not pay the official price at the dealer, hopefully. Also, nearly every small enduro style motorcycle was a low seller at least here. Which brought prices down in the end. When looking for a WR250R for instance you could have started at approx 4000 Eur for nearly new vehicles with a little luck. We need to wait how the KTM will sell. Well, I do not think prices will drop a lot, since KTM calculates realistically, I guess.

    Thanks for you statements on this motorcycle. Could you catch any details on maintenance intervals and cost? Does this comply with dualsport requirements or will it need tight service intervals as like enduro competition bikes?

    Phil
  8. ramz

    ramz Professional Trail Rider

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    Buy one and ship it to me; let me know your PayPal address :deal
  9. bluesman

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    Can't say about Duke style, but it is surprisingly comfy and well equipped for 7500 euro new bike with 70 bhp thumper. I test rode older Duke R (also 70 bhp) and it was incredible hooligan bike :wink:.
    On Freeride - I hope it will go like that....
    I asked lots of questions about Freeride but guys on stand were not that good in answering them. I did not get straight answer about service intervals and did not get answer about homologation for road (in case I want to ride it to fields next door). They said "service intervals are much longer than for similar, like 250-300-350 ex series" but that's all. They also stated it costs 7200 but I keep hearing it is 6995 in Germany, so I guess that was Italian price.
  10. flatboarder

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    Funny, since the KTM guys I met at local fairs were really cooperative and competent. They would have told you every bit of information. Anyway, what you said basically meets my expectations. On the other hand from what I read I can tell the Freeride will be plated as is, so no worry at all about road usage! Go whereever you like. This is the trick, and in combination with long service intervals (unlike competition bikes) this makes it a very special dualsport, a real funbike without any bad restriction in usage. Also I like the fact they put trial tires on it. This will keep impact lower for offroad riding, AFAIK, and will work fairly well onroad. For me, this bike is a 100% hit to what I want. Otherwise I would not spend one single thought on selling my very good WR250R or my Tenere, both of which were perfectly fitted to my individual likes in an expensive way. I did not expect a bike like the Freeride 350 to appear. Otherwise I would not have spent money on converting the Yamahas. But that's how it goes when putting lots of money into motorbikes. :cry


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  11. bluesman

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    That's the difference :) why I prefer Intermot.
    If you want information and good look at bikes and parts - go to Intermot. If you want loads of Italian bikes and good looking girls, auctions for RedBull helmets right on exhibition, huge noise, huge freestyle and cross show, testdrives etc. - go to EICMA.
    For example possibility to test drive ABS Multistrada 1200 - I did not expect that. But I did not need that too :)

    In fact I only went there to see Freeride for myself and new Triumphs and Husky just for knowledge of it.
  12. Maurizio

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  13. lamotovita

    lamotovita Ageing Adventurer

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    Since you are in Europe and see more of these models than us in the USA could you elaborate on the differences you see between the T-Ride and the Freeride? Obviously we start with EFI and 100cc, but what else?
    Does the 5 litre fuel capacity of the Freeride concern you, or is that adequate for the riding you have available?
  14. flatboarder

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    The fuel issue mainly is a matter of fuel consumption of the engine. I want to check that. According to KTM the engine is low on fuel consumption. Unfortunately no one has got real data on it right now. I would accept carrying a 2l reservoir in my backpack, in case.
    I do not want to argue for or against the T-Ride in detail here, since I have no first hand experience with it. I checked some forums, and that is all I know. However, for me a carburator engine is not an option at all, so I do not care anyway. I would prefer my WR250R in that case.

    Ossa has got some new models of that sort as well. They are FI 2 strokes.
    For your reference, I collect some links from offroadforen.de:
    http://www.todotrial.com/ttactual/pruebas/presOSSA-Explorer2012.htm
    http://www.hmmoto.it/ita/scheda.asp?idFam=11&idProd=213
    http://www.todotrial.com/Fotos/Pruebas/gasgas/ggrandoner-2011-3.jpg
    Note I have no details about those.

    It looks like some European manufacturers are redefining the term funbike, finally. Maybe due to degraded sales. Or maybe they are hoping to activate new types of consumers, since the old are dying out.
    For me this is perfect, because after some former years of enduro competition I want to do it the easy way and get as much fun out of it as possible while no longer doing brute force maintenance and riding. However, I am not yet interested in low tech bikes and fishing.

    Phil
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    Well I hope it catches on here... With the economy and high priced fuel seems it'd be a win-win... If you could change consumers minds...

    Instead of; Dilemma: CRF230SM? Or CRB600rrrrrrrr?
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    huckleberry BACK ROAD BOMBER

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  17. rickypanecatyl

    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    So I was giving my wife the sales pitch on the freeride last night. I posted something similar on the 690 thread but here were my thoughts about riding with my wife (I have a '11 690 enduro).

    Back in Colorado they have some trails mapped out like ski trails.

    Green = Easy
    Blue = Intermediate
    black = difficult
    red = expert
    dashed red = extremely hard

    What you have to know with that color system is that its designed around a XCW 450 style of enduro bike. Roughly I would say the 690 jumps a category (riding blue on a 690 is like riding a black with the XCW), a GS1200 jumps 2+ (a "blue" trail on the 1200 would be like expert to extremely hard). I rode a full on trials bike (my 1 and only time) out there once and would guess that dropped almost 2 colors. I think I could have held a mocha in one hand on the reds without spilling too much!

    My point to my wife was "US" riding a black trail together - me on the 690 and she on the freeride would kind of be like me on a red trail and her on a blue/green trail and we could ride together and have fun. (And of course when we stopped by some fun rocks I could play around with trials riding - while she swapped another fuel pump on the 690 :lol3).
  18. Sumi

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    My dealer told me, it (The 350 freeride) will be around $9000+.
  19. Maurizio

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    Really?

    "Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum"

    :rofl
  20. error cooled

    error cooled anything but asphalt

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    I would put a deposit down today for one if it came in around $7K.

    Seriously. This fits my riding priorities very well as I stay further off the road.