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Discussion in 'Regional Forums' started by Pablo83, Oct 28, 2011.
I've never stopped in that place. What's it like?
Sounds great please add me to the yes list.
Registration will begin very soon.
Registration will be $44. Ten dollars of your registration fee will go directly to the Colorado Off Highway Vehicle Coalition (if you are already a COHVCO member you can get a $10 discount). There are a lot of good trail preservation organizations out there, but COHVCO is the primary organization when it comes to Colorado trail preservation.
Registration for non-riders will be $25, and 16-and-under will be $15
Burgers, beer. Lots of bikers.
Tent camping will be $20 per person for the weekend (Friday and Saturday nights).
If you want a cabin or RV pull-in, reserve those with the Lazy C (719) 748-3398.
Put me down for camping and the meal plan please!
Pablo83: Man, you've been workin' yer arse off on the details, dude! Great job--really looking forward to letting you nice mountain boyz hurt me out on the trails. I did a quick scan of what I thought were the important posts in this thread...I've got a few questions:
>>>If an out-of-state'r (like me) is planning on hitting up BOTH Westfest and RMAR, will the COHVC membership work for both events? Or do I need to send Big_John more of my money so all you CO guys can have nicer trails than me to ride on?
>>>In another thread on the ADV forum, there is still an animated discussion as to whether a plated vehicle/bike needs to also have a CO ATV/off-road pass for 'certain' areas/trails. Anything else I need to buy before I head west?
>>>What is the earliest day/date Westfest'ers are allowed to arrive at the ranch for camping? If earlier than Friday, I assume it's another $10/night to stay? If I'm arriving a few days early, should I arrange that with the ranch?
>>>If I'm in for the whole kit'n'kaboodle--riding/camping/eating--do I send the entire amount to you or do I need to send the camping/meal plan money to the ranch?
Again, thanks from all of us for hanging in, bustin' ass and and bringing this all together. It promises to be the most amount of fun we're allowed to have with our clothes on!
Your membership applies to both events.
There are many animated discussions about this both on and off the internet. The short version is: this has been in the rule books for many years, but the Forest Service has not enforced it until now.
What it means to you: if you want to ride a trail that is restricted to vehicles less than 50" (side-by-sides, quads, dirt bikes), you should have an OHV tag. Tags are good through the end of March, so if you get one right now, be sure to request a 2013 tag. If your bike is plated and you will stick to jeep trails and roads, you don't need an OHV tag.
And, no, there aren't any other expenses or permits to worry about.
Pablo83: Thx for the quick response and good info. Sorry. I guess I should have been more specific: Are there rides/routes planned for Westfest/RMAR that will require the OHV tag? Singletrack sounds like fun...
Yes, there will be plenty of OHV-tag-requiring rides. There will also be plenty of non-tag rides.
Just to define singletack vs quadtrack; singletrack is very narrow, and for motorcycles only, no quads. It tends to be very difficult and ideally suited for small two stroke bikes. As far as true singletrack goes, there is only one mile in the nearby area. This is an example of singletrack:
And here's a video of the first of three very difficult sections on our local singletrack trail (trail 735, very technical):
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A lot of people tend to group quad track (too narrow for jeeps or side-by-sides, but wide enough for quads and bikes) as singletrack also. As far a quadtrack goes, there are hundreds of miles of this in the area. These trails are usually what the out-of-state folks are looking far and they tend to be much more fun than true singletrack. Quadtrack is best suited for 250cc to 650cc thumpers. Here is a video of trail 717, quadtrack:
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There are also hundreds of miles of jeep trails (no OHV tag required), some of which are easy, some of which are more difficult, so if you don't want to buy an OHV tag, you will still have more trails than you can ride during WF.
Pablo83: Thx for the preview. They both look like fun, altho FR735 looks like it would be wicked ugly if it was wet at all. I've ridden both technical single- and quad-track in DBNF in KY, but certainly not with the elevation gain--and accompanying lack of oxygen--that you guys have out west. I might like to try out all of it (especially with a group willing to lend a helping hand like in the vid) as long as someone's carrying a defib device. Out'a curiosity, how well do trails like that drain, and how quickly do they dry out? I will obviously plan on having fresh knobbies for the trip and gonna drop a tooth up front and maybe a couple on the rear.
EDIT: In the 735 vid, the guy riding the big Katoom must be a real hoss...or just plain crazy! He needs to graduate to a GS1200....
The local trails contain some dirt with lots of sand and decomposed granite. They drain very quickly. The climate is very arid, so mud dries quickly too. The more serious locals like to ride during, or just after, rain storms because traction is better. New knobbies are always nice, but due to the lack of mud around here, tire choice is not super important.
Dust and loose gravel are more of a traction issue than mud. The more serious guys (including myself) like a trials tire on the rear, but I've also seen a guy with street tires on a supermoto tearing up the trails.
We do have some mud around here:
We only see stuff like this if it's been raining for three or more days straight (rare). The above mud hole was caused by rising ground water. Ryan stank pretty bad after this one. The Forest Service eventually rerouted this trail.
I will be collecting for registration, tent camping, and the meal package.
Optional things that I will not be collecting for:
- Tee shirts – Hayduke will set up an order page soon.
- Extra camping days – Call the M Lazy C Ranch – (719)748-3398
- RV sites - Call the M Lazy C Ranch – (719)748-3398
- Cabins - Call the M Lazy C Ranch – (719)748-3398
- COHVCO membership - http://cohvco.org/
- Off highway vehicle (OHV) tags – Colorado Dept of Natural Resources - http://www.parks.state.co.us/ohvsan.../OHVregistrations/Pages/OHVRegistrations.aspx (more info)
Pablo83: Mucho gracias, amigo! Hate to sound needy, but it's a long drive from the midwest and I wanna make sure I've got all my 'quacks' in a row.
As for the mudhole, we've got 'em like that only deeper, but I believe I would'a re-routed myself around that one! Ours tend to be filled with a black, slimey coal muck, and they look and smell like what comes out of the bottom of your septic tank! :eek1
EDIT: I tried the link to order the CO out-of-state OHV tag, and it's not available online currently. Presume it will be available after March 31. The membership link to the COHVCO is good to go, and they take CCs! What with all this money going to trail goodness, I may just have to move out there.
...with all these stickers stuck on my bike along with a few more race decals, I'm gonna be REALLY FAST.
The event starts Friday, July 27th, but the ranch is open to the public throughout the summer, so if you want to reserve additional day, give them a call.
The M Lazy C Ranch (719)748-3398
Yes, and yes.
I like your signature quote. That one of my favorite Thompson articles.
I've moved around some posts at the front of the thread. For those who don't want to read every post, I now have a list of updates.
Registration will begin Monday! I will post links in thread for registration. The first person to register will get a free meal package.