2013 AMA Pro Flat Track Thread

Discussion in 'Racing' started by DogBoy, Jan 29, 2013.

  1. bikerfish

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    great footage, wow, on that first lap, the onboard camera really shows how deep Brad was going into the corners, that was the race right there.
    I agree, Brad is a great guy, always takes time to talk with you. wish I could have been there to see his first win.
  2. Kentucky

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    Can I simply say "thank you so much". It really is great that you enjoy our work. After 5 years on the flat track tour I can honestly say that Scottie and I have never had a cross word and get more comfortable with our roles all the time. We are starting a flat track internet radio show and the first live episode is this evening at 7 pm Eastern. Just log on at www.nextmotochampion.com and click on the live flat track show. It should be fun. We may have a few rough edges on our first one. You really should have stopped in to say hello at Hagerstown.

    Headed to Mid Ohio for road race this weekend. Thanks again for your comments. Any suggestions for how to make it better?
    Barry
  3. buls4evr

    buls4evr No Marks....

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    Kentucky.... You 2 guys do a great job informing the spectators what is going on. I always make the Springfield Mile in Sept. I think the Mile races allow you time to talk while the bikes are on the back of the course better. Those crazy kids on those 450s are thrilling are they not? The race programs could use a few less interviews though. I know we want people to know about riders and sponsors but a 5 hr. long raceday gets to be a bit much. So my criticism is of the system guiding the race program much more than the announcing.
  4. kirk69er

    kirk69er Been here awhile

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    http://www.sacramentoflattrack.com/
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    and i think that the AMA opening the restriction up on the H-D
    is only gonna help a bit. the #42 is still a rocket ship. kool video
    from last years race.. hopefully they learn from their mistakes. man,
    throw some water down on that track. aint no fun racin' ina dust bowl.
    have fun.
    kk#38
  5. wrk2surf

    wrk2surf on the gas or brakes

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    Shayna wins again !


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  6. DogBoy

    DogBoy Not a Gnarly Adventurer

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    Just back from the Sacramento Mile. Fantastic racing all night. Hope some of you caught the live stream.

    Both Mains were fantastic. The sell-out crowd went completely nuts for Shayna Texter's win. Everyone on their feet and screaming for the last few laps, the victory lap and even during the podium. Expert Twins main was thrilling, too.

    I volunteered again this year and was able to get very close to the action. There is just nothing else like a flat track mile.
  7. Foot dragger

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    I caught a ride to the Sac Mile as well last night,its the best Ive seen that track yet,there were a few holes but a groove developed around them and the racing went very smoothly,1 simple slide out crash all night was it.
    Bryan Smith's Kawasaki is pretty damn fast,he got shoved off the kinda narrow groove twice in the main while leading,went back to 5th and just worked his way back up and blew by Mees and the other fast guys.

    A couple times he wound that thing up and went by the Harleys so fast it was amazing,Mees would get a nice draft going behind Smith only to have the Kawi pull away and leave him in open air.

    It didnt look like the dust was much of a problem really,they didnt have to fool with the track all night and the races were great!
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    kirk69er Been here awhile

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    It was pretty spectacular,Smith had a knack of not shutting off much for corners which may have played into his results.

    I forgot to mention the Triumph,qualified fastest and went fast all night long, Michael Martin being in the drivers seat of it.

    Flattrack is truly becoming a multi brand sport,bunch of Kawis in the pits,couple Triumphs,couple Ducatis, makes the whole show more interesting.

    The Ron Wood Rotax/BMW was there but had some sort of problems early on. Beautiful bike regardless,Ron has always built some amazing bikes.


    Cant wait for Santa Rosa!
  10. DogBoy

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    #44 is Brandon Robinson on a Kawasaki. Mikey Martin's Triumph is #91. He seemed to have bike issues in the main and the Dash but, as mentioned, went well in qualifying and his heat. Martin won the main at Lodi Friday night among a sea of national racers showing up for the $10,000 purse.

    I was lucky enough to attend both nights of racing and I'm still buzzed. Wish we could have a lot more weekends like this.
  11. Kentucky

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    Help me understand because I appreciate your input very much. Are you talking about interviews in Opening Ceremonies or the post race winner interv iews? Our Opening Ceremonies is always exactly 30 minutes long and begins before the scheduled first race by exactly 30 minutes. Can't do anything about giving the sponsors a chance to welcome the fans. They are the check writers that keep us moving around the country. We always think its important for the winners to get a chance to speak so the fans get to know the stars and the rides get to thank their sponsors.
    Barry

    Post Script: Our package begins with Opening Ceremonies generally at 7pm. It ends after the Expert Main which is at 10:30. Our program is 3.5 hours including Opening Ceremonies. Unless you are including timed practice qualifying earlier in the day.
  12. buls4evr

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    You have to be concerned for the folks getting home at the end of the races. yes, many of us do get there for hotlaps and that is part of the day. I think talking to LCQ winners is overkill and there is a lot of useless banter from local (say Ford dealerships or MC SuperStore) reps during the day. If you are track watering that is OK. but THINK about us just sitting there waiting for something to happen. That is all I ask. Too often this seems disjointed and just nothing is happening. Like having the MotorMaids spend a half hour on the track or the people who payed to take a lap. This stuff is not racing and is a lot of "fluff". Springfield does not need to take until 5 PM to finish each day. That is a lot more than 3.5 hrs. It may be the exception though because it is the Grand Daddy of them all. I just want there to be concern for it to keep moving. I remember 1 yr at Springfield where there were big storm clouds on the horizon. The program went on according to script... no sense of urgency at all. they got lucky and just got the races in.
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    Not going to help at all if you ride a brand other than HD. Once again we will have the top 10 bikes be H-Ds. more pandering to Harley....and the Harley faithful.
  14. Kentucky

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    This is usefull conversation. If you go to amaproracing.com, click on flat track, then click on schedule, click on the event there will be an event pdf file that details the schedule for the entire program. It is a minute by minute. The event starts with opening ceremonies say at 7. They are always exactly 30 minutes in duration with first race at 7:30. There are two 10 minute intermissions. These are specifically placed where they are to assist timing and scoring in producing lineups and for track prep. There are times when a 10 or 15 minute additional break is required to wait for the sun if it is blinding riders in a section of the track. Typically there is no sun break. Promoters need those 10 minute breaks to sell concessions as well and they will insist upon it.

    If Scottie and I are interviewing or filling it is never about the interviews. We are simply filling the time that has been created by a situation like a red flag, track prep or some other issue. We have never delayed the minute by minute schedule for the purpose of interviewing anyone including sponsors. We monitor our officials on their channel to determine when they are ready to go and respond accordingly. Dirt is a bit different than pavement too. A slight bit too much water requires an additional 5 minutes or so for wind and sun to do its job. Too little creates life threatening visibility issues or uncomfortable conditions for the crowd depending on wind. Steve Morehead is truly a doctor of dirt and seldom gets it wrong.

    Even the before the show timed practice is on the Minute X Minute. We typically get finished early but even when we do the show can't start until the advertised start time because fans who arrived on time would have missed part of the show...not good believe me.

    Many times the rider who wins an LCQ or Semi will have earned the only podium he will have all year long. It would be a shame to deprive them of the two or three minutes it takes to congratulate them and give them a chance to mention the hard to get sponsors that support them all year long. We have an on time accuracy that is seldom off by more than 5 minutes one way or the other of the 3.5 (including Opening Ceremonies of :30) program. Start at 7 and end at 10:30.

    Over the last 5 years we have hit that schedule nearly every time. Most tracks have a 10 or 10:30 curfew so it is important. One person on our road crew records the sequence of events of everything that happens and exactly when it starts and finishes. These are reviewed by all and we are pretty much spot on. Just remember, if you are listening to Scottie and I babble on...it is because we are attempting to entertain while waiting for the next thing to occur. They have never held up a race program for us to do anything. :-)
    Barry
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    Springfield is not a night race and there is clearly no curfew so it may be an aberration. While it is tradition to bring some things back year after year some of those have lost their meaning. For instance, it was once "unusual" for women to ride motorcycles so MotorMaids were introduced into the program. It is no longer unusual for women to ride great amounts of miles to your events. Those times when they are out there are times that should be spent racing.
    The same can be said for the people that pay to take laps on their street bikes on the track. It is nice that this goes to some charity or some such but to me this drags the program out even farther. This could be done after the races are over as well as going into the pits to visit with the riders could be done then.
    Scoring used to be done manually. Now we all know that transponders and their programs can take care of this function. The line-up is not what makes that intermission so long. It has to be planned that way like you say so eloquently. I realize that a red flag situation, dust problem or safety hazard will rightfully stop the program. The racing is excellent and goes quickly. It is the "fluff" that takes time while riders (I used to be one of them) sit around in their hot leathers all day waiting to race and spectators around me yell "let's get racing". Maybe my opinion is really a minority one but I don't think so. All these races could be done in 3 hrs with the right planning.
  16. DogBoy

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    I don't have a problem with the podium interviews. They add value for sponsors and just take a few minutes. On the list of issues facing Flat Track, 20 or 30 minutes fill during down time is pretty far down the list. Getting more money into the sport where all effort should be placed.
  17. bikerfish

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    no problem with podium interviews and other racing related things, but I've been to countless races where rain was coming and the crowd sat in the stands for hours, the racers sat under awnings for hours, got the heat races in, and then it poured and end of show. When weather is on the horizon, screw the script, do what it takes to get the races in!!!!! At the very least, abbreviated program with just the big boys, yeah, sucks for the 450's, but at least the crowd gets to see what they came to see and doesn't go away disgusted, which does not help the future of the sport at all.
    saying that, the last 5 or 6 nationals I've been to have been great, run in a timely manner and such, but also, the weather has been perfect at each one.
    and what ever you do, DO NOT CHANGE THE RULES TO FAVOR HARLEY, EVER, AGAIN!!!! we have great racing right now, with many brands in contention, and maybe more to come, which will bring even more money and people to the track. my advice? LET HARLEY BUILD SOMETHING THAT CAN KEEP UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Castle Rock TT to Jeffrey Carver, his first GNC win. Second to tough guy Mees. Coming off a broken arm, only to separate a shoulder earlier in the evening. Damn. Bonsey 3rd, now riding for Zanotti in place of Jake Johnson. Dominic Colindres 450 winner, 1st win. Peoria TT next Sat.
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    DogBoy Not a Gnarly Adventurer

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    Would love to have been there of Castle Rock. Colindres won the Peoria TT last year so he's got two TT wins in Pro Singles now among other podiums. The kid is fast. Love watching him ride.
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    Peoria TT this weekend. Anyone going? I'd love to see this race in person someday.