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Discussion in 'Racing' started by ADK, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. nachtflug

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    He probably is, I'm sure perception plays a role. I do recall though that when I really started closelyfollowing these guys a few years back when Stewart won his last SX title, when he dnf'd A1 that he was winning an awful lot of races. Maybe my perception of the other guys is skewed as well. Again it would be just fine with me if Dungey swept every moto between now and vegas, or any of the rest of them. Who knows it could become a Barcia show the new Honda 450 with the dual exhaust might be worth a 1/2 a second alone. Can't believe that is even a relevant statement but it is in todays world. I'm glad you're debating the point I was kind of wondering what the real tally was. It would be interesting to make some kind of bubble chart with each riders win and accompanying bubbles showing how many of the top dogs were there that day. Something like that. I'm late to the SX game and wish I'd have watched more but I never liked McGrath or Charmichael so their runs never interested me. As far as Charmichael being the "goat" I'd beg to differ on that as well but I never really followed those years. He seems to enjoy his status as he should but to me he was and is a kid, Mikkola, Lackey, Mahlerbe, Tony D, Weil, etc., those were men. They didn't have the benefit of fully functional 65cc's to learn to go fast on when they were 7. In Dungey's defense he could still have 5 or more productive years ahead of him, god knows what his resume will look like. As much as I admire Reeds "comeback" I don't think it's realistic to expect many more years from him but another title for him would also be fine with me, same with Stewart. I still think Stewart has the most upside and whose flame could burn the brightest if he could just get past the inexplicable miscue's (Daytona 2012 :huh) but I'm not holding my breath.
  2. ADK

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    The reliability of the bikes in RC's era certainly helped him , but he still had to have it in him to win the roughly 80 percent of the races and titles he went after. :deal
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    RC is the Goat. no question about it. The kid was a pro for 10 years. For 10 years he was the outdoor National Champion. He had what, 4 or 5 SX titles as well. He dethroned McGrath. He is second in SX wins and number 1 in MX wins. The numbers do not lie. 2 Perfect seasons. Never failed to defend a title.

    He's the Goat for fucks sake. He is every bit as much an elite athlete as Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan or any other top shelf athlete.

    I was no RC fan for many many years, but he wore me down. There is no denying the Goat.

    And all this talk about Dungey not having any competition is horseshit as well. How do you guys think it works? They just mail the title, check, and plague to whoever they think deserves it. This ain't freestyle MX. It ain't Dungeys fault the competition can't go a season without injury.
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    D.T. PITA but useful

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    I was a big fan in the J Mcgrath years.
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    Are you one of those asterisks guys? Put an asterisks in the record books because Bob Hannah wasn't there? Where does that crap end?

    Reed showed up, he raced, he had the most points at the end of the year. That's how you play the game. Reed has 2 SX titles and Stewart has 2. That's what's in the record books. Sure, James should have a truckload, but he doesn't, does he?

    Anyone remember one year in SX, not sure when, they were still on 2 strokes. RC won the title, but Reed flat out beat him the last 6 rounds. RC had a points cushion, but even he said Reed beat him those rounds. Reed ain't no chump. The dude has skills and he is one tough SOB. Plus, he has been showing up outdoors, where the real men go to play.
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    The Man (Roger De Coster 104 above)

    Hands down, the best.
    And also in the job he has today.

    I raced MX on a TM125 and a TM250 because of his example.
    I had a chance to buy an early 70s RH250 and passed it up. :baldy
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    Exactly right. I constantly see comments about how Rider X is faster, but just needs to crash less. Like the two are mutually independent. The reason they're fast is because they crash more. Folks have always worshipped JS because he is so fast, but my bet is that Dungey would be just as fast if he was willing to crash as often as JS.

    RV seems to strike a good balance, but let's not forget that two of his last three SX seasons have ended with him being carted off the track with major injuries; it was mostly just luck that the 2012 injury occurred after he wrapped the championship.

    - Mark
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    RD is The Man, RC is The Goat.

    RD is motocross royalty, all around super guy. You won't get any argument from me about RD. Class act.

    And you are one hell of a photog yourself.

    Happy New Year!
  10. nobrakes

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    1-Dungey
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    3-Villopoto
    4-Stewart
    5-Reed
    6-Canard
    7-Milsaps
    8-Brayton
    9-Weimer
    10-Windham


    Damn, that's a deep field, never thought I'd ever put Windham that far down. There aren't enough spots even in the top 10 to put in all the guys I want to list up there. Alessi, Tickle, Seely, Grant. Is Tomac moving up to the SX class this year?
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    Not at all. Flug was flogging Dungey in one breath for not winning championships when certain people were hurt, and yet praising Reed in the other breath. I was just drawing parallels, i.e., the stats don't lie, Dungey deserves the championships and praise as much as anyone. I was negating the asterisk that Flug was putting on Dungey.

    Clear now?
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    That's "The Man", not the GOAT.

    Love those boots, had some just that. :evil


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    Crystal, thanks.

    Happy New Year!
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    My top 10.

    1. Villopotto
    2. Reed
    3. Dungey
    4. Barcia
    5. Canard
    6. Stewart
    7. Brayton
    8. Hill
    9. Nicoletti
    10. Weimer

    Villopotto is greased lightning and knows the routine.
  18. nachtflug

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    yes that is the man but you can't give the title of goat to someone unless they are and RC isn't a pimple on Rogers ass.
  19. nachtflug

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    my X factor is Barcia. He could wreak major havoc if he starts fast.
  20. Shawnee Bill

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    Mine:

    1-Villopoto
    2-Dungey
    3-Canard
    4-Reed
    5-Windham
    6-Barcia
    7-Tickle
    8-Brayton
    9-Stewart
    10-Milsaps

    Stewart in 9th because he will not finish enough races, I'm thinking he won't hurt himself bad enough soon enough to not finish high in several races.
    Barcia in 6th, next year he will move up, not this year
    RV and RD very close, could go either way. It's a long season.


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