2013 ama supercross

Discussion in 'Racing' started by ADK, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. nachtflug

    nachtflug infidel

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    it's bullshit it contradicts the whole idea of a premier championship series and the supporting series.

    if tomac rides 450 and misses a gear on a triple and Milsapps lands on him and thats the end of Milsapps they'll change the rules real quick. and the reason they will is because it's a bad idea. nothing against Tomac he rocks and I like him a lot but you have to have meaningful structure to your rules which define the 2 series and letting one taint the other is just bad business, bad managment of the series and bad promotion.
  2. SigPig

    SigPig Been here awhile

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    And if a guy who finally qualifies for a main after trying all season accidentally takes out a front runner, what then? Should he have not been there either? If you qualify, you qualify. Who cares what you raced on last week. Or are you more upset that one of the 250 kids might be able to beat a title contender straight up?
  3. shocker4her

    shocker4her When I am King

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    If anyone should be upset is the riders because they can not ride both classes at the same race anymore....remember back in the 80's and 90's you could try and qualify for the 125cc and 250cc classes at the same event. (only rider I knew who made both mains at the same event was Barry Carsten, a true iron man and nice guy)

    Now I know some of you are going to say their team will not let them and that should be the case, they are paid to race that class but the new rule really hurts the privateer riders who have to pay for everything themselves.
  4. dtysdalx2

    dtysdalx2 PITA but useful

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    Subway offers free pit passes before the events eh?
  5. PTRadam

    PTRadam Been here awhile

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    Guys have been testing the waters in the premier class while their coast is on break since I can remember. Been going on forever. I think Windham actually won a race in the 250 class when he was racing 125's on the opposite coast.
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    PTRadam Been here awhile

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    Also, Tomac racing a 450 might give Barcia and Canard a kick in the ass. Maybe make them worry a little.
  7. Shawnee Bill

    Shawnee Bill Long timer

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    What's the latest on Baggett? I find nothing with google.

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  8. RedRocket

    RedRocket Yeah! I want Cheesy Poofs

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    Didn't he break a hand?
  9. Gordy

    Gordy Team Listo

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    Do you guys ever get tired of talking about racing in here? :rofl

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    No one,least of all me,thinks Eli cant ride a 450,its been proven.There are very few rides available for the "elite"of which I believe Eli will join one day soon.I just dont feel he should have an effect on the outcome of the series,nor have I ever felt that way about anyone.Hopefully everyone will be safe and race hard.May the best man win.
  11. brents347

    brents347 Trusting my Cape...

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    Wrong, wrong, and wrong. These are just your opinions and they seem to be the opinions of a vocal minority. Do you have anything to back up your claims of bad manangement, bad business and bad promotion besides your opinion?
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  13. Shawnee Bill

    Shawnee Bill Long timer

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    Give the poor guy a break, he never saw a SX until a couple of days ago.
    Of course he has nothing to back up these claims, just wants things to be set up the way it isn't.

    However, the 2 series structure seems to be creeping in on us. Not all that long ago it was a 3 class structure, 125, 250 and open classes. And some guys raced all three. From that it has progressed (regressed?) to what we have today which is almost a training class (Lites) and the "Premier" class for the true cream of the crop. Not really there yet but it seems we are going there.

    NASCRAP seems to not have a problem with the top tier guys dropping down to whatever that "lower" class is and racing there and we all want OUR races to be like NASCAR, right? Twice so far this year we've had to stop a race and restart single file. Close the gap up between riders. Quite a lot like local stock car races on dirt ovals.


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  14. mdubya

    mdubya Right Brigade

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    Having Eli on track is no different than being forced to deal with a particularly tough set of whoops or a rhythm section that only a few can do the quad while the rest have to triple it.

    They already have one less potential threat with Windham out.

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  15. nachtflug

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    I was at the Montreal SX in 1977 when Jimmy Ellis won it.
  16. nachtflug

    nachtflug infidel

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    obviously not but it still defies logic to have paralell but separate series and then when one takes a break all of a sudden the guys who were in series A are competing with guys from series B when the guys from series B have no mathematical chance of winning series A. you are dilluting your own product.

    it's like this, not exactly but the outcome is the same. it's like taking a team from the NFL who didn't make the play off's, let them play a game in the play off's but they don't advance if they win, and if you lose to that team, you're out. does that make sense?
  17. enduro Dan

    enduro Dan Sticks and Stones™..

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  18. nachtflug

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    you don't think Andrew Short, Brayton or Grant could get a holeshot and win a 15 lap 250 SX on a 250?

    stranger things have happened.
  19. nachtflug

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    roger that. meet me in Toronto. :D
  20. nachtflug

    nachtflug infidel

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    if a guy who was trying to qualify for the 450's all along and finally does and takes out the entire list of the top 10 points leaders in a first turn nuclear explosion of miscalculation I'd have no problem with it. thats racing.

    I've always maintained that the current structure minimizes the accomplishments of the 250 riders. I believe the 250's are sometimes faster in certain situations. I'd love to see Tomac win all 16 of the 450 races this year but as he started in the 250 west series I don't think he should be allowed to run in the 450's. the system is flawed not the riders.

    If Millsapps loses the title by a hair and if the points Tomac gets are the difference (if he rides and if he finishes in a position where it is reasonable to say it costs Milsapps points) it will be a real shame and things will change. which will prove I'm right. :lol3