2013 ama supercross

Discussion in 'Racing' started by ADK, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. Shawnee Bill

    Shawnee Bill Long timer

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    Last time I looked (admittedly been a while :D) ALL the NFL teams play ALL the other teams in their division (or however it's split up) and sometimes (not often) a sorry team with no playoff chances beats a great team.

    What you're purposing is somewhere past the season mid-point start eliminating riders that have less than some number of series points, or get lapped often, get them out of the way of those riders that have a chance of finishing high in the series. Then we could do away with qualifying and heat races and have TWO real races that count for series points at each venue.

    Maybe the last 5 races have only the top 10 riders on the gate, that would make first turn mayhem a rare thing and we would have head to head racing of the best every time. No more of those runs like Carnard made a couple of weeks ago from 19th to 7th place. Most of the other top riders have done that more than once.

    Hummmm, the more I think about the better it sounds. :deal


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  2. PeteN95

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    Certainly possible, but I think it is more likely Tomac could get the holeshot and win the 450 class! He came from behind to win in Vegas! Which might cost RV, but he could also do RV a favor, that is what makes it more exciting! :clap
  3. Shawnee Bill

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    I think they could very get the holeshot but I don't think they would win the race even then given the current quality of 250 riders, either coast.


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  4. Shawnee Bill

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    Must be Wednesday, halfway between races :lol3:lol3:lol3


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  5. andrewgore

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    Call me crazy here, but a racer can either WIN or LOSE a race. The points they EARN are based on how badly they LOSE. Nothing in racing is "taken".

    2nd place is the 1st loser :deal
  6. nachtflug

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    what I'm proposing is that there are 3 series. 250 east, west, and 450's.

    you can be in one. :deal

    that's it. :deal

    pick a series.

    and make sure it's the one you want because you can't risk having someone dilute another series they have no chance of winning.

    the only other option for the idle east/west riders would be a 2 stroke race at each SX that did not lead to a title.
  7. enduro Dan

    enduro Dan Sticks and Stones™..

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  8. bobzilla

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    Bet youlike Nascrap too:lol3

    It would be different if Tomac was jumping into the Lites East series. And it would be different if Reed jumped in the Lights series. If Tomac wants to try to run with the big boys more power to him...and if he hits the deck and takes someone or him self out ....thats RACIN!

    Would you think it was bad for someone to come to your local track from out of the area and race against the locals???? you would be pissed if he spanked the crew and took the $$ but thats RACIN!
  9. bobzilla

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    Bullshit! we dont need rules like that....every rider on the track can take points from you or from your competitor. It dont really matter where they raced last week...would you say a AreanaCross guy cant come try to make the main? what about all the local fast guys that try week in and week out just to make the show....you want them to not enter?

    Have you been a racer and in different series at the same time? back when....way back when... i was and some times it is just good to mix it up with different guys.

    bottom line, the more guys that can race for the top 10 the better for the racers and the fans.
    my .02 and its worth what you paid
  10. Shawnee Bill

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    Ok, now you've stepped over the line! :kboom




    And yeah, I know that Nascrap chase is something like what I described.
  11. enduro Dan

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    This.:deal
  12. B1KSOLO

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    I'm kinda down with Bob on this one :1drink
  13. Shawnee Bill

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    Speaking of all this, is there a rule that says a 250 rider can not race in both the east and west series?
    The way things are it seems there must be.


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  14. nachtflug

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    dude did you read what I wrote. my understanding is the whole idea of the east/west is for the local fast guys to get a crack at the big leagues. so yes, I want them to enter. any series they want. not all the series. any series.
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    this is the big leagues. the white tee's. this is for all the marbles. it needs structure and it needs to be governed to get the best possible product. If millsaps loses by a whisker because someone from the minor leagues has tilted the pinball machine it won't be good for the entire sport.

    the AMA has made the 250 series the minor leagues by structuring it the way they have I am not knocking the 250 riders. but you have to protect the integrity of the sport. meaningless entries that can have an effect on the final outcomes make no sense. a 250 rider who is looking for gate time is a meaningless entry as he can't win the title so why allow him to effect your championship of your premier class.
  16. enduro Dan

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    also, lets say Canard and Barcia were right up there in the points race. If Tomac comes in it isn't fair to the other guys as team riding could come into play. more opportunity to dilute the product.
  18. brents347

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    There is a rule that if you are racing East you may not race West and vice-versa. The exception is, or has been, that if you sign-up for West but are injured before the series starts or at the first round (without scoring any points) you can switch to the East coast instead.

    Also, most all of the top ten or more in the 450's hve pointed out of the 250 class, thus keeping them from being eligable to drop down. The 250 riders signing up for the 450's is the only way one class crosses into the other and I think it has worked well over the years. This has been happening since the birth of a East/West coast feeder class and I don't remember there ever having been an issue with a Lites rider screwing up the show for one of the big boys.

    And isn't there a rule now that you can't just sign-up for a SX race but first have to go prove yourself by scoring a certain number of points in the Arenacross series? It seems like I heard that somewhere.
  19. e.t.

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    The way it is set up now works better then the old format

    You can't have local pros that ride 99% outdoors show up and race the big dogs anymore. They were not in contention then - and they sure as hell wouldn't be now
  20. PTRadam

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