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Discussion in 'Trials' started by Gordy, Aug 8, 2012.
AWESOME!! Congrats and good luck with the venture!
At long last! My local trials club organized an arena ride to get out of the freakin cold so I was able to finally get on my new bike.
For reference, I owned a 2005 250 Rev3 that I had for a year. Great little bike, rode it a lot and learned a lot.
The following observations are based on my personal comparison between the 2 bikes. It would have been nice to ride them back to back, but I sold the '05 last summer and haven't ridden a trials bike till last weekend...I'm rusty. :huh
The '14 is very nicely balanced, IMO it's easier to do lock to lock turns on it, clutch works very nice but might have a slightly stiffer pull than my old bike, but very nice and light. The brakes were a little grabby but became smoother towards the end of the day. I rode for about 2.5 hours doing obstacles, jumps, wheelies etc.
The Evo has 2 map modes, so I started in the soft map, but found the delivery and little too soft for my liking. I switched over to the aggressive map and felt the power delivery was a little more like my 250. That is, I liked the "hit" more. The EVO is very smooth and this is not a bad thing, IMO. The power is there, you just need to crank the throttle more than I am used to doing....time for a flashback....
Last year, shortly after I got the bike, I was on a trail ride with a buddy, I was waiting for him and decided I'd do a fancy pivot turn to go back and see what was taking him so long (it should be noted that up to this point I hadn't ridden a 2 stroke for some time and had forgotten how hard they can hit when you twist too hard). So, I put my foot down, lean the bike over, give it gas and let out the clutch at, what I assumed was, an appropriate rate, and was left standing by myself on the trail as the bike launched itself like a sling shot from underneath my ass. I found it off the trail about 5 feet down an embankment.:eek1
Now, come back to the present with me- So I'm thinking of this while trying to get used to my new purchase, cautious that it's got 50 extra CC's and it's new and should deliver serious power very quickly, so I'm being careful to avoid another embarrassing event when my bike decides to buck me off in an enclosed arena with a bunch of other riders around...DIDN'T HAPPEN. As I said earlier, the power delivery is very smooth, linear and it's really very manageable. It surprised me, because it was so, UN surprising.:huh
One of the local young guns, has a GasGas 300 and took my Beta for a ride. He said the difference in power delivery was noticeable and that he liked how smooth and linear the power band was in the Evo. He did things with my new bike that I can only dream of...
It took an hour of playing to shake the cob webs off but I really started to enjoy the Evo. It's very refined, balanced and the suspension is firm yet supple, taking my 190 pounds of bulk without difficulty.
I'm really looking forward to getting it outside onto natural terrain when the snow finally buggers off.
I can affirm Garretts' report on the smoothness of the 300 evo. I reciveived a 13 model during a snow and ice storm last week and have only been able to skate on ice. Successivlly! The power is very smooth off the bottom and I never felt I over revved. I have rode only a thousand yards yet, but for the conditions, the bike is spot on.
I cant wait for things to thaw.
No, it has a flat wide gasket.
Hmmm, first off; if the bike was running good before and all that was wrong was knocking on decel then use better gas to eliminate the knock. I find that VP109 works pretty good in the 250, I'd go to 110 next, then to C12 if that doesn't work. Put the needle and jetting back to where it ran the best. Second; while you have your carb apart spread the floats apart some, this makes it easier to put the bowl back on and prevent the float from sticking on the overflow tube. Third; order a new exhaust header gasket, but in the mean time I would loosen the all the bolts and brackets on the exhaust and make sure the header to cylinder flange is flat against the exhaust port and tighten those two bolts first then the rest. Do not use high temp RTV silicone as it will not hold up to the oil in the exhaust.
This is the closest I have had to a new bike. It was previously a competition bike and has typical war damage. I'm confident in the upkeep and I would like to keep it in very good condition. The motor seems nice and fires up and revs out with little effort. I'm unsure of peculiar upkeep of modern trials bikes but have been told to 'ride it and forget it' other than normal maintenance. What is the normal maintenance for this rig, other than what the manual recommends?
Keep the air filter clean, change the transmission oil every 20 hrs or so. grease the linkage twice a year. Replace broken or damaged parts as needed. Ride, ride ride, and ride it again.
oh, and tighten the fender screws every other ride. Seriously though, check all the screws/bolts/nuts every now and then.
I'm on it!
Bought two new air filters with the bike along with most of the armor availible, trying to keep nicks and scratches to a minimum.
I really love Italian bikes, My other is a Husky WR and its another bullit-proof thoroughbred.
This forum has provided me hours of information and entertainment. I thank you all for the effort that makes a site like this possible. Rich
I really love the feel, sound, etc of GasGas bikes (I have two). I never refuse an offer to ride bikes, however, so I've had the privilege of sampling a good number of Betas. I helped optimize an older Rev 3 so I know what they've improved.
I find impressive the later-model Beta's ability to turn a very tight line yet not feel squirrely in the front end. Not sure exactly how they do that (some rake/trail subtlety), but it is impressive. I like my steering to be very neutral, so I appreciate the typical GasGas stability, and also set my bikes up to steer a shade slow. I find I have to hop some corners Neil, Justin, Ron, and others turn. The difference is minor, and maybe inside variances in setup, but I do like the way Betas handle.
The left-side kick is good for me, though the right side chain drive is not, because there are too many functions on the left making my requisite left-side brake a big technical challenge. Not saying I can't do it... I can. It's just harder.
I don't favor the plastic, however, either with that integrated plastic front fender bracket or the really angular rear fender. Both seem more vulnerable than GasGas plastic, and I hear Beta riders bitch about the expense of new plastic after mauling theirs.
And the things are pretty. I especially like the red-frame ones or that factory one I saw with blue rims.
In my area Beta is coming on strong, so it's - I'm guessing - GasGas still first in numbers sold with Beta second and the rest trailing by a lot. Good to see Beta doing very well, and if they keep the good work up they will continue to make converts.
Gordy excuse im ignorance im very new noobe to this trials stuff but do the beta's coming to Canada go through the same process?
No problem. I'm not sure, but here is the current link.
and, if you send them an e-mail here they should get back to you.
Tim Pilg is in charge of this and was nothing short of phenomenal when he built mine. He will personally contact you and keep you informed. It's a great process IMO and one reason that Beta is doing so well (other than building great bikes).
Just went there. The BYOB program is cool. I almost went that route to buy a Beta 350RS, but then decided I still like my KLX330S a bunch and the money went into a trials bike.
This year's Betas are black/white and no 280 is offered (how long has that been?). I've ridden the 300 and it's pretty smooth, but it's still a 300. If I were Beta buying I'd go for the 250 with only a little doubt if I rode mostly high altitude, which would mellow the 300 to be like a 250/280.
Trying not to kill myself on this bike. To say I was 'in for a surprise' is a serious understatement.
A slight whiskey throttle and the bike left me in the mud today.
Any gear will wheelie with throttle only.
It has my complete respect. I may stay in sixth till I gain expertise.:eek1
Mountain Motorcycle is the importer for Canada. I bought my Evo from outlawtrials.com in Vernon, BC. Dave's a nice guy and will answer all your questions. I'm not sure if they have a BYOB program like AmericanBeta does, I'm guessing not.
Dave treated me well and shipped the bike directly to me in the crate. He provides some Opti 2 stroke oil, Opti crankcase oil, air filter oil, and some grease to get you started.
I'd buy from him again.
Something broke that engages the kick starter today. I have the left side cover off and the clutch plates out. Need to find a way to hold the basket while loosening the nut. The problem lies behind that.
Boy I sure wish I had a repair manual, or at least a parts schematic.
One good thing though, Its the bike thats broke and not my bones.
AmericanBeta has the parts schematics here.
Had issues yesterday with my Evo starting to smoke bad and loose power on long climbs (abusive trail riding not trials). I would stop and let is cool and go again.
I'm guessing the smoke is just oil burring off the mid-pipe when it gets too hot.. I never had issues like this on my Techno or Rev3 .... thinking my jetting is too lean..
Is there a standard "go to" jetting for the Evo? I always when up on size on the pilot on older Betas.
How does the plug look?
I was quite surprised to find that at 80;1 my bike was running rich with even some unburned droplets of oil on the inside of the head. I haven't really run it hard yet so things may change. Also the inside of the exhaust is exceptionaly clean, which seems counterintuitive.