2013 BMW C600 Sport & C650 GT Review - Motorcycle.com

Discussion in 'Battle Scooters' started by sinned, Dec 21, 2012.

  1. CGameProgrammer

    CGameProgrammer Been here awhile

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    Please update when you learn more about that clutch unit; that sounds interesting. Does it void the warranty?
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  2. PeeBee

    PeeBee Giant leap for me!

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    My dealer is in talks with BMW Netherlands about this exact issue. I'll post a soon as there's news.
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  3. Scott_F

    Scott_F Been here awhile

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    Has anyone else noticed? The folks who have never ridden a maxi before love it, best thing since sliced bread. The folks who have ridden Burgmans say "almost", "shoulda-coulda but not quite", not nearly as impressed as the crowd who are used to a clutch.

    I'm not convinced it's better than a Burgman.

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  4. Rugby4life

    Rugby4life Been here awhile

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    Well, with over 4k miles of everyday commuting on my 650GT I can say I am very well pleased. Yes, the transmission could be smoother pulling away from a stop under light throttle and it could be about 50lbs lighter. My other gripes are that it isn't available with BMW's excellent cruise control and there's no good place to install speakers for an amped mp3 system. This is my 31st bike so I think I have a well rounded perspective. My recent history includes a Ducati Hypermotard, Yamaha Roadliner, Yamaha Majesty, and a Dr650. This bike scratches 90% of my motorcycling itch. The last 10% will require me buying another Hypermotard to replace the one I sold.
    I see the GT as 2/3 motorcycle ans 1/3 scooter. It isn't as light and flickable as the Majesty but I can comfortably cruise all day at 85-90mph (professional rider on a closed course):wink:, pull a 1k mile day, and feel fresh the next day. It's "Blueridge Parkway" capable on the twisties but not up to "Dragon's Tail" level. It's a great commuter bike everyday with plenty of storage. The value of heated grips and seats is obvious. It is actually more stable at very low speeds than the Majesty to the point I don't even put my feet down for short red lights. It was easy to control in the heavy sleet and 1 light snow this winter without breaking out the chains. I'm waiting for the aftermarket to catch up because I'd like to try a different windshield and maybe a seat. The stock seat is sightly smaller than my butt so I would like about an inch more on each side and some support up front so my nuts don't dangle over the edge.
    I see this as a transitional bike in the long run. It feels enough like a motorcycle to make the the 'bikers' comfortable and scooter enough for the maxi-scooter guys to still enjoy it. As such It could prove to be the common ground that both camps will accept and respect. This is a feat that the Suzuki/Honda/Yamaha scoots haven't been able to accomplish regardless of how capable they are. Once that bridge is built hopefully the other maxi-scooters will get the respect they deserve.
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  5. Deans BMW

    Deans BMW Granpa Hoon

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    Impressive and very well stated.
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  6. PeeBee

    PeeBee Giant leap for me!

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    Plus one...
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  7. Brooktown Geezer

    Brooktown Geezer scooter guy

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    That's a pretty good endorsement from a well rounded rider.
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  8. PeeBee

    PeeBee Giant leap for me!

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    The JCosta votes are in. My dealer mounted a kit on a GT (not mine) and here are their findings:

    - The bike had a drive train resonance over 80 mph. That stayed, unfortunately.
    - Pulling away from a stop (the range from 0 to 25 mph) didn't improve as much as expected. A bit better, but nothing to write home about.
    - Most of the improvement is in the 25-70 mph range. Clutch closes sooner, has less slip. Bike feels snappier and more powerful.

    About the warranty issue: said dealer keeps the warranty as it was, except for clutch related issues. They could be covered by JCosta, but that's guessing by me.
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  9. wezul

    wezul Lick The Toad

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    Have an RT, an FST and now my ET4 has a big brother (C650GT).
    Took delivery in November and so far it's been a blast. Yes the CVT is an automatic transmission and everyone has their own idea as to when the clutch should grab but the shake is livable.
    I'm 6'1" with a 31 or 32 inch inseam (depending on who is making the pants) and the seat height is not a problem for me after getting mounted.
    The side stand when down locks up the bike (kill switch as well), good I guess when parking on incline but makes for interesting dancing when trying to get the bike on/off the center stand.
    Unbelievably stable at slow speeds, must be all that weight and the super low CG.
    I'm liking this scoot.
    No one has mentioned the non-BMW engine. Now that's fascinating.
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  10. PeeBee

    PeeBee Giant leap for me!

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  11. bmwloco

    bmwloco Long timer

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    BMW by way of Kymco. $10k. You have to be kidding. I own three BMW airheads that I don't have that much money in...

    Que sera. Whatever blows your skirt up. Personally, a Kymco 150 or 250 People would suit me and cost a fraction of what a roundel equipped Kymco/BMW. Corporate BMW lost this rider years ago.
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  12. wezul

    wezul Lick The Toad

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    Yeah but you're still the happy-go-lucky guy you always were?
    Hands you the TP

    Yup it's a Kymco in there . . . scary ain't it?
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  13. hippiebrian

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    Kymco is a better company than people give them credit for. Spot on reliability on my People 150, and others I've talked to that own them, including people like me that have been riding everything from dirt bikes to harleys (and everything in between...I am at well over 25 bikes in my life so far) have nothing but praise for them.

    That being said, it'd be hard for me to pay BMW money for a Kymco. Just sayin'. Looking to get into the maxi-scooter thing, but think I'll stick with a Burgman 650 or a Silverwing for the money.
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  14. John Bentall

    John Bentall Been here awhile

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    Define non-BMW, please.

    1) Anything not made in the Berlin factory.
    2) Something made in a BMW factory that is not the Berlin motorcycle factory.
    3) Something designed by BMW, but made to BMW drawings by another German company.
    4) Something not designed by BMW but made for them in Germany (i.e. Boxer Getrag gearbox)
    5) Something designed by BMW, but made to BMW drawings at a Kymco factory.
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  15. cbolling

    cbolling Here...Hold my Beer.

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    Dead on with this. Quality manufacturing is quality manufacturing. Who cares who runs the factory.
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  16. Scott_F

    Scott_F Been here awhile

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    BMW charges a premium for German quality, which is not quite the same as Chinese quality. I'm glad people like Kymco, but a Chinese scooter with a BMW sticker on it is still a Chinese scooter and not worth twice as much just because it has a German sticker.

    Regards
    Scott Fraser
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  17. cbolling

    cbolling Here...Hold my Beer.

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    What about a BMW car made in South Carolina? Worth less then one made in Germany?
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  18. DOUBLE-O G

    DOUBLE-O G Smooth Operator

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    That's not entirely true. The scooters are built to BMW specs, not Kymco specs. Triumph builds its Bonneville line in Asia. So...

    And if you think Harley is 100% American made...
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  19. elamofo

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  20. Maytag Repairman

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    I thought Kymco was in Taiwan??
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