2013 bmw f800gt

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by eakins, Nov 13, 2012.

  1. Roadscum

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    I had to change my shirt after seeing that picture, it had drool all down the front. Yum..... :clap

    Regards, Paul
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  2. mrbreeze

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    I like it a lot better than the previous version. It's a lot closer to something that may actually find itself in my garage someday.

    I like sensible.
    I like versatile.
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  3. cug

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    I have been asking for something like this for quite a while. Though I would prefer:

    - more upright ergos
    - more leg room
    - more suspension travel (I don't care for all those stubby legged dwarfes ... :lol3 )

    Oh, wait. That's my Tiger with a belt drive. Hmm. Might be easier to get belt drive on the Tiger than adjusting the F to my ergonomics ... :deal
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  4. ph0rk

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    I wonder when BMW will start selling that luggage...
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  5. Grainbelt

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    I believe they sold it for a decade on the R1150s. Looks like they dusted off the molds and bolted them up.
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  6. DC2wheels

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    I test rode an F800ST 3(?) years ago and liked it. But then again even with my 57 y.o. 35" inseam I can ride a Ducati Supersport for 2-3 hours comfortably.

    Would like to see one in person.

    Bet the bags are PRICEY. :deal
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  7. ph0rk

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    I mean those cases specifically - I think they'll bolt onto an f800r, the stuff from the R bikes won't. Looks like the f800GT uses the "standard" f800s/f800st/f800r luggage supports (and exhaust cutouts).
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  8. mrbreeze

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    this bike pushes a lot of the right buttons for me - but I know what's wrong with it. The price will be more than I am willing to pay, and the only BMW dealer for miles is a pain in the gluteus maximus. I gave up on BMW's when they charged me over $200 for a set of brake pads.
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  9. DFH

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    The F800 uses Brembo calipers. Pads are available either directly from Brembo or plenty of aftermarket alternatives from numerous first class companies. Anybody that buys pads from BMW thinking BMW makes the pads should also be aware Santa Claus does not deliver them on his annual rounds.

    F800 BMW are easy to self service - belt drive, spin off oil filter easily reached, long service intervals on bucket over shim valve train. Easy access to the 8 valves that need checking when the time comes (fuel tank under seat, not on top of engine with plenty of space between twin frame spars) with nothing unusual in the layout of the valve train. Don't like the dealer? You're not marrying his daughter, just buying a bike.

    My disappointment with this bike is at this price point in 2012 I expect more than unadjustable damper rod front suspension...
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  10. ph0rk

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    It (f800r, assuming similar in the GT) is notably better than my wee-strom which was notably better than my ninja 500, but then I weigh such that the stock preload and damper setting for me are correct (with gear and laptop bag).

    I guess I just never really understand complaints like this, at what price point is it acceptable for a bike to not have $3000 in suspension components, particularly when it isn't the marque's track bike?
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  11. DFH

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    Not looking for Ohlins gas tube gp forks. Thats as absurd as not relating specification to price. The F800 series is priced far beyond the budget bike class like the Wee Strom, GSX 650, Honda NC700X & Kawasaki Ninja 650. Bum basic damper rod forks suit bum basic price point bikes. The F800r is not priced as a bum basic bike, but its suspension surely is.

    All of your F800r euro bike price-point & marketplace competition - Triumph Tiger 800 roadie, Street Triple 675R, Aprilia Shiver 750GT, Ducati's Monster 796, Streetfighter 848, the upcoming Hyperstrada 848, even the Husky Nuda 900 with its modified F800 motor have cartridge damper front forks. Cheaper Japanese competitors like the Honda had cartridge type dampers in the front forks of VFR750's & 800's two decades ago.
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  12. Lujo

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    +1 And when you can easily upgrade the suspension yourself and actually have it sprung for you in the process.
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  13. Jim K.

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    I thought that the 800 ST was the perfect bike for me, a lightweight, SPORT tourer. Unfortunately, what it needed to justify it's price was a set of forks & a shock from the mid- price bin (or higher) , not the bargain box. A $100 chain instead of a $500 belt would have helped as well. What it did not need was a bigger fairing , windscreen & higher bars and even higher price tag.
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    This can be said back and forth and both sides will think they are right when it comes to taste, but you have to keep in mind: BMW has absolutely no interest into making this bike more interesting for "sporty" riders (never got that term, go get a pedal bike for sport ...), they have the S1000R for this. But they certainly heard all the people who said the R1200RT is too big and heavy and expensive for a lot of people, but still want to tour on something that has slightly different ergonomics and strengths.

    And another factor is that BMW does not design any bike for the American market*(they learned that with the attempt of the R1200C). I strongly believe the design departments they don't give too much about the American taste. And rightly so, they build what they think is needed in the product range and sells in the biggest market they have: Europe. Then they also export it to the rest of the world. Germany and Italy alone are more than 30% of all sold bikes for BMW (numbers from 2009 were the first I found but I don't think that has changed dramatically). The US is just around 12 to 15%.

    And Europe and especially Germany has a completely different taste in bikes than the US. It's the big GS, then nothing for quite a while, and then some assorted other models, most of them BMWs. The only "sport bike" that looks like it will make the top 10 in Germany is the S1000R. Go figure how much BMW needed to make the F800GT more sporty: Not at all.
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    True about the price -- I'm very happy with my F800ST, but if I were buying new, it would be hard to justify the minimal price difference to other bikes, including ones like the Super Tenere. But, it at least used to be the case that you could get great deals on used STs.
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  16. DFH

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    Re-valving & re-springing a cartridge fork to suit a particular rider is a cheap & cost effective upgrade.

    Converting a damper-rod fork to a cartridge fork with springs & valving to suit an individual rider is an even more effective upgrade, but very expensive.
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  17. DFH

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    Bit silly this... even the Germans ride motorcycles for fun. Its called recreational riding. Its considered a sport because its rewards are intrinsic, enhanced by intellectual engagement & the practice of specialised skills. Are you saying that bike & riders are divided into two camps, those ridden at 10/10ths on track days & thus worthy of a decent chassis specification and the rest of us plodding recreational riders who deserve no better that bottom rung garbage?

    Don't care much for the American market myself, not surprisingly because I've never been there.

    Floating around Europe in the summer of 2011 its interesting what you do see & what you don't. Firstly in summer EVERYONE is on two wheels. Bikes are no longer utility tools, thats the preserve of scooters. The Streets of Paris are flooded with mid size stylish naked bikes, Street triples, honda hornets yamaha fz6 etc. Fancy tackle? Triumph Thruxtons & Mv Agusta Brutale rule that roost. Saw ONE litre class sports bike in 3 weeks in Paris and by f*#k did it look exotic. Italy is pretty much the same except the hit bike of that summer seemed to be the KTM 125/200 Duke. On Sundays in the northern Italian hills you may see the occasional Ducati 1198 but not as many as you would think. Saw many more BMW1200R's than 1200GS's in Italy, but the Germans sure love the big GS....
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  18. cug

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    I think you got a little bit overwhelmed when you were there as it seems. I am German, though I'm living in the US right now but I'm in Germany a few weeks a year and I lived there most of my life.

    There are aren't that many people in Germany that ride motorcycles. You see more because it is so much more densely populated (70% of the size of California, nearly three times the population). Same is true for other European countries. People ride two wheeled vehicles, bicycles, scooters, motorcycles much more as transportation than in the US. Sure, there is a lot of recreational aspect, but the percentage is much lower than in the US. Don't know about Australia, though.

    The F series is very popular in Europe, especially the F800R. World market looks much different, but for BMW the primary design target is Europe, and then the rest of the world that wants European bikes. And those sportier bikes are plain a no-go in Europe. Touring - check, trailies - check, nakeds - check, sport bikes - sure, but after the others; dirt bikes - what for?

    Therefore I think it was clear for BMW to move the kind of bastard bike the F800ST was (somewhere between touring and sport bike) more into the category where it has a chance of selling instead of the area where it has absolutely no chance of selling. Because who wants sport bike ergonomics with trailie type performance? Pretty much nobody ...
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  19. Anteraan

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    I have to say, I love everything about this bike from a conceptual standpoint. It's a mid-displacement, lightweight sporty tourer with nice bodywork and a great balance of hp and mpg. It's just what I'm looking for in a ST. That damper-rod fork sure does muck up the business though, especially if the price point is what everyone thinks it will be.
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  20. DiabloADV

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    Nail on the head...I twice became convinced I wanted the ST as a lightweight long-ride highway bike. Then I went down and sat on one...and both times said, dang...this doesn't work.

    Maybe the GT properly fills the niche below the 1200RT.
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